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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-24 03:08 pm

[ SECRET POST #2699 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2699 ⌋

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Re: The California Shootings

(Anonymous) 2014-05-24 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not trying to diminish that. I'm arguing more over emphasis than anything else. I would say he wanted women to die because he was a virgin and he had made that women's fault. Not because society at large is misogynist. Because he chose to take on an ideology that actively blamed women for his specific unhappiness. An ideology which, yes, grew out of a misogynistic society, but which is something distinct from it.

And I know you're about to say that you never said that it was because society at large is misogynistic, and I acknowledge that. But I think that talking about this as something in a grand pattern of male entitlement implicitly frames it in those terms. And I think it's a more specific, smaller pattern of a specific kind of male entitlement.
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Re: The California Shootings

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-05-25 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
in seriousness, I do not see the distinction. Culture is made up of the people within it. One person's views, if they spring directly out of that culture, are just another manifestation of it.

Re: The California Shootings

(Anonymous) 2014-05-25 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say it was more than that. He wasn't just misogynistic, he was unbearably racist, too. He pestered his mother constantly to marry a rich man, despite her aversion to marriage, because he felt he deserved a better life. He felt he deserved to be a millionaire, to have a hot 'blonde' girlfriend, all because he existed. He thought he was 'magnificent', and that he should have everything he wanted because of it.

It's not just blaming other people for his issues, it's a huge case of entitlement. From how he talks about non-white people, calling them lowreclass and ugly just because they're not white, to refusing to get a regular retail job because it was 'beneath him', to stalking couples and throwing things at them. I'd say it came more from entitlement culture than mental illness, thought he most certain had one. He was a sick, sick individual.

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-25 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
I've been going through this and I just hit the part where he says women are simple minded animals, and that in a civilized society they should be raped. Because they are 'incapable' of choosing who they 'mate' with, that choice should go to 'civilized men' like him. Pretty sure misogyny is a bigger issue here than you're giving it credit for.