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⌈ Secret Post #2700 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/XxFlAKe.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I think Cyberwoman was my first and only Torchwood episode.

[fauxkaren]

lmao I can see how that episode would make you not want to watch another.

There are some good episodes sprinkled throughout the mess that is most of Torchwood though. Series 3 in particular is pretty great.

[darkmanifest]

It was just...so very bad (outside of the character angst). But it's a great early gauge for whether or not you can handle the show overall. I knew once I made it through Cyberwoman, nothing could be too stupid for me after that.

[solticisekf]

I was going to say the same, strangely. I decided that Torchwood's too angsty for me and haven't watched another.

[(Anonymous)]

I miss him too. And Torchwood. It had so much potential, and never quite got there... as with Ianto.

[(Anonymous)]

Whaaaaat?! I like Torchwood much better than Doctor Who!

[solticisekf]

Wow, this is a rare preference among fandom people.

[(Anonymous)]

Samesies.

[(Anonymous)]

I watched the first three seasons of Torchwood. The writing really did suck, and most of the plots were pretty stupid.

But the characters were great. I loved their dynamics, they made the show worth watching. The ending of season 2 was heartbreaking and all, but it was tough to go to season 3 from there because half the cast was gone. And then, as a result of ridiculously stupid writing (or ridiculously stupid scheming by the Torchwood members), Ianto is killed off? Ugh. Season 3 had some great moments, but there's too much I hate about it. Saw no reason to continue to the forth season with so many cast members gone, just didn't seem worth it for such a mediocre show.

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[elaminator]

This. (Though I did watch season 4, and didn't particularly enjoy it. The new characters weren't all terrible but I was just bitter about Tosh, Owen and Ianto being gone, and couldn't warm up to any of them properly. I don't think you miss much by not watching that season.)

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, someone told me the fourth season was good, but I was skeptical. It would take a lot for me to warm up to brand new characters, especially being so bitter about not having Tosh, Owen and Ianto. I don't think the writing is capable of holding me for its plot alone, so meh.

Still can't get over Ianto's death in particular. At least Tosh and Owen's death was well done. Why the heck did Ianto die? Why did Jack decide to infiltrate that gov't building, all badass, for the sake of... idk, threatening the aliens? without any actual capability or plan of action? wtf.

It was also very hard for me to cheer for Jack when he killed his grandson, too. I got what they were trying to do and all - tough decisions, etc etc - but seriously. Just no.

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[elaminator]

Yeah, someone told me the fourth season was good, but I was skeptical.

Well...I feel like it could've been worse, but the ten episodes wasn't enough for me to grow overtly attached to any of the characters, and by the end of it I was just watching to see what happened, not so much because I was enjoying it. I felt very meh about it, and when it ended I thought to myself, "They should probably quit here."

IA about Tosh and Owen's deaths. Not saying I approve, but they were absolutely heartbreaking and beautifully written. Very effective, and memorable; Ianto's death just seemed superfluous to me.

You have an excellent point... I think stopping before COE would be the best thing to do, if one is going to watch Torchwood in the first place. But since there's so much pain (and believe me, I love pain, but this...) I'm not even sure I would recommend watching it at all.

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[sabotabby]

The fourth season is not good, despite a cool premise. I was sad about Ianto's death but CoE was so well-made and brilliant that I couldn't fault it and that wasn't going to make me stop watching.

Miracle Day was so terrible, though. I almost stopped watching it after two episodes because it was one of the worst things I've ever seen on TV, except that my friend was recapping it and the recaps were more hilarious if you'd watched the show first.

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[(Anonymous)]

are those recaps public? Could you link them? They sound fun.

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[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was really shocking, it made the other three series look like King Lear. When they got to the giant vagina. Oh dear.

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[(Anonymous)]

CoE is the most frustrating series, for me. It was so well made, but mostly composed of idiot balls. In the first two series I don't mind it so much, because it feels like it's supposed to be idiot-ball based, but CoE is so slick and perfect and hinges on someone thinking it was a good idea to blow up the only person who's dealt with this threat before, and an active military base with unknown weaponry at the same time, just as a crisis develops and they need to keep the public calm. Just stupid. It was pretty obviously a show he wanted to make that he had to shoe-horn Torchwood into to get into production, just like Torchwood was a show he wanted to make about Gwen but had to add Jack to.

TW: Child rape/murder

[(Anonymous)]

The Fact that they made a child rapist/murderer be the so - called answer to plot didn't exactly entice me to watch S4 either.

Re: TW: Child rape/murder

[elaminator]

It still stumps me that someone said, "Hey, let's add a pedo to the cast" and everyone went, "Alright". He was a terrible person and an utterly disgusting character. I think he died at the end, but just having him be in so much of the season was incredibly unpleasant.

Re: TW: Child rape/murder

[(Anonymous)]

SA

NGL, the child rapist/murderer angle was a big reason I didn't care to seek out Miracle Day beyond the first episode. As somebody who is a child rape survivor, it's probably the closest to a true trigger that I have, and I really couldn't deal with it. Like you said, who the hell thought that was a good idea?

[(Anonymous)]

Torchwood started in 2009? I have no concept anymore of the passage of time.

[(Anonymous)]

No, Ianto died in 2009, during Children of Earth. I believe it started in 2007, if I remember correctly.

[(Anonymous)]

Torchwood. Episodes like Cyberwoman showed the depth of its potential and the full measure of its failings, which is why Fic writers love it so. How clever did Ianto have to be to pull off hiding Lisa in the basement? Answer: very.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't like Ianto until that episode. I mean, just the grief on his face still makes me depressed thinking about it because it was something I understood (although, more social isolation over my ED than hiding a robotic girlfriend).

[(Anonymous)]

the way that shot is composed makes him look disproportionate.