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⌈ Secret Post #2700 ⌋

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Comments

[tenlittlebullets]

Yeah I've noticed similar trends, both in fandom as a whole and in my own interests. ("DON'T YOU TOUCH A HAIR ON MARTHA JONES' HEAD yes hello i would like eight dozen scenes of david tennant looking sad and getting punched in the face.") I wonder how much of it is the want-to-be/want-to-bang divide, how much is cultural training to have a deeper and more varied investment in male characters' experiences, and how much is well-justified wariness of how violence and suffering tend to be depicted differently for men and women. Victimization vs trial by fire: we don't like to see bad things happen to our favorite female characters because it usually means they're about to be ridiculed for getting hurt, put down for the count after one good punch, or otherwise demeaned and written off. But dudes get to claw their way back to their feet with haggard determination in their eyes and an attractive trickle of blood coming from one corner of their mouth.

I mean, that's not a universal gender divide, and when I do end up in a fandom with female characters who are in the latter role they're the ones I tend to "HNNNNGH" over the hardest. (Black Widow is near the top of my "baby I'm so sorry but YOUR SUFFERING IS MY LIFEBLOOD" list at the moment.) But it's still, unfortunately, pretty fucking gendered. And I think there's a closely-related phenomenon where criticism of female characters is still such a sore subject that you almost never see "oh my god you are the ACTUAL WORST look at your life look at your choices" used as a supreme sign of affection like you do with male characters.

[ketita]

Are you watching Orphan Black because the girls there are smart, resourceful, and TOTALLY claw their way up with grim determination and an attractive trickle of blood and I am enjoying it so freaking much.

[sabotabby]

Agreed so hard.

Also agreed with tenlittlebullets' comment re: the various dynamics at work. Most shows, the women have little agency, so if something terrible happens to the ones we like, it's going to be humiliating and awful. Orphan Black is basically all female agency so the characters can do all of the awesome things we're used to seeing male characters do (including suffering horribly and overcoming it).