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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-26 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2701 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2701 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Almighty Johnsons]


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03.
[X-Men Evolution]


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04.
[The Dreaming Machine]


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05.
[Parasol Protectorate]


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06.
[Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Interview with the Vampire]


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07.
[Marvel Disc Wars: The Avengers]


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08.
[Orphan Black]


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09.
[Team Fortress 2]


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10.
[Severus Snape, Gerard Way]


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11.
[Neil Patrick Harris/Ramin Karimloo (Les Misérables/Hedwig and the Angry Inch)]


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12.
[Gakuen babysitters]


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13.
[The Walking Dead Game]


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14.
[Billie Piper, Penny Dreadful]


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15.
[Sherlock]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 084 secrets from Secret Submission Post #386.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: 'mra' shooter

(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
I think his obsession with blonde women actually came from his first crush, who was blonde. I feel so bad for her, her father said she was devastated about it and she couldn't even remember the guy, aside from him being a 'weird kid'.

Yes, the mental illness was there. But he was also rich and had access to the best healthcare. The guy had tons of psychiatrists. The MRA bullshit WAS a part of what happened. Not the only thing, but a part, and to say it was just mental illness is extremely scary. Because the fact of the matter is, is that his views are shared but thousands of other men. It doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Re: 'mra' shooter

(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
The "He did it because he was MRA" excuse is bullshit considering that 1) the majority of his victims were men. 2) he blamed EVERYONE for the "injustices" of his life. Not just women but men as well. He even had a plan to murder his ten year old brother because he thought that it was an "injustice" that the kid was not socially awkward.

He hated the ENTIRE world. Men were not going to be spared in his hunt. And why did he hate the world because he thought everyone was out to get him. That everyone was putting him down on purpose. In short, he was mentally ill. He was taking medication for schizophrenia. You can't apply the same logic to your average dudebro as you would with this man. Your average dudebro is sane. He can be reason with even if it takes you awhile. And there's a good chance that he'll even grow out and grow up out of his thinking as he matures with age. This man could have not done the same thing because his brain was defective.

Stop comparing sane people with insane people. They work on two different levels of logic.

Re: 'mra' shooter

(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
The men were killed because of his vendetta against women. The argument that the MRA stuff he internalized totally had no part in it what-so-ever is bullshit. Was the 140 pages of him ranting about the inferiority of women, how they held the most rights in society, how they needed to be fought against because of their 'sex power' not enough evidence of their ideology rubbing off on the perfect storm of mental illness and psychopathy?

They thought the same bullshit he did, why do you think the people of PUAhate took down their forum? Because it was full of the same 'revolution against feminism, murder women, cunts, sluts, blarghle!" he was spouting. The cashe of some of their pages showed this. He. Did. Not. Exist. In. A. Vacuum.

+1

(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The men were collateral. They were in the way of his plan to torture and kill women. He was planning to kill many more women than he ended up having access to.

It's awful that anyone died, but if you try to argue that women weren't his primary target, you're being deliberately obtuse.

SA

(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
and by 'collateral' I mean in terms of his motivations for killing. obviously they were human beings who didn't deserve to die.
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Re: 'mra' shooter

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-05-27 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Not disagreeing with you, because it WAS part of it, but the fundamental problem is that he didn't want help. I'm quite sure that his upbringing had something to do with it. Ultimately, no matter what the resources are that you have, you have to want to get better or all the therapy and access to meds doesn't make a difference. You have to actually put effort into therapy and you have to be willing to take the meds.

Re: 'mra' shooter

(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. Unless you forcibly commit somebody, no money in the world will make somebody get the help they need, either through medication or simple therapy.