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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-29 07:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #2704 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2704 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Because of the placement of #21 right over this one, I thought Athos=Teyla's home planet. I feel so fucking ignorant. LOL

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Isn't it? I thought Teyla was Athosian?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
She is. But they mean Athos of the 3 Musketeers.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Damn, me too.
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[personal profile] misty_anon 2014-05-30 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I wondered that too, OP. Though I really got the impression her being branded was such a disgrace to him and his name that her being innocent was pretty much immaterial. I also wonder how she survived, as he was positive he'd killed her.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't even think about how she managed to survive. A snapped tree branch perhaps.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
Unlikely? I mean, if the tree branch broke, it would have done so when he kicked the support out from under her. He would have been right there. Depending on how much she knew about hangings (and how much he, a son of a noble family, probably didn't know about the mechanics of executions) she could have faked her death. I doubt he would have had the stomach to yank on her legs in case the fall didn't break her neck, or wait for her to start looking truly corpse-like before disposing of the body. Attempting to murder his wife was a pretty spur-of-the-moment thing. And he came from a culture that taught that women were fragile and delicate, to boot. Not her. I am sort of impressed if she didn't end up with the telltale rope-burn scar around her neck, though, because there probably would have been no explaining that.
insanenoodlyguy: (Awesomeface)

Oh probably.

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2014-05-30 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
You know how women can get.

Probably not.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
But didn't she take part in stealing her church's sacred vessels?

Re: Probably not.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Not only did she steal from church, but she seduced a priest into helping her, as I recall. So it wasn't just that she was a thief, but that she'd pretty much used him and lied to him (about her sexual innocence, among other things) right from the start.

Re: Probably not.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
DA
She had all the rights to lie about her experience. Theft is not a huge crime. Maybe she had a difficult life and this was how she survived.

Re: Probably not.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
Theft, particularly from the church, was a pretty serious crime by the standards of the day.

Re: Probably not.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

If we were talking about a real person you'd probably be right, but the book is written from a POV of "agency-having males are normal, agency-having women are abominations who will flout all the morals and burn society to smoldering ruins if they are not stopped" so ... nothing within the story encourages you to empathize with why she did things. Plenty of fans are into how competent, charismatic, and brilliant she is. But she's portrayed as a complete sociopath, in lieu of having sympathetic reasons for anything.

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Secret about the Duchess de Winters! I love you, OP, she was an awesome, brilliant villain.

If the stories weren't so through-and-through sexist, I'd borrow your headcanon. But there's this running theme of women being innocent, harmless creatures, or diabolically treacherous monsters who would get away with every kind of infamy if it weren't for Real Men standing up to them. So I still think Athos was more apt to be permanently traumatized about having married a scary, ruthless, criminal mastermind (woe is him, amirite? The author certainly seems to think so,) than he was about second-guessing himself for hanging her.

Re: !

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
I find it interesting that most of the more recent adaptations seem to be reading things OP's way.

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Hmm, not sure if want, given that he turns out to have been completely plot!justified in his murder attempt, and the Musketeers end up having to kill her. (And god, that scene where they reconcile with the Gray Eminence, and even he forgives them for kidnapping and beheading Milady and is basically relieved she's gone even though she was his best agent. I had such mixed feelings about that book all the way through.)

But that is interesting, and I didn't know because I only read the books. So thanks for mentioning it, anon.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I've always hated him. He was like the Sasuke of the Three Musketeers.