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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-29 07:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #2704 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2704 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-29 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
You have zero reading comprehension if you actually believe that he went to her room to rape her. Not even Sandor himself knows what the hell he wanted from her that night.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-29 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
No, he didn't go through with the intention to rape her but didn't he consider it after she refused to go with him?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
DA. I... don't think he did? IIRC, he comes in raving about taking her away and she's just too freaked out to say anything, and he threatens her at knifepoint for a song, which (the way he says it, and the way he's said it in the past) has a connotation of sex, but his meaning is ambiguous. There's nothing else that indicates whether he wanted to rape her or that he was angry because she turned him down (she didn't).

He later admits he wanted to rape Sansa to Arya as a way of goading her into killing him. Although it's arguable how much he meant it, I think part of his self-loathing is tied up in the fact that there was a kernel of truth in everything he told Arya -- he was attracted to Sansa and part of him wanted her, and he was crazy and desperate enough that night to do anything, and that part disgusted him.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2014-05-30 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I think Sandor cared for her. Love is a strong word, I'm not even sure if he was capable of that at that point in his life, but I think he saw in her the only genuinely good person he knew. And as much as he despised weakness, he was enamored of that.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, he definitely cared for her. It caused him pain to see the abuse she was subjected to. The way the story is written, it actually comes off to me that in addition to all the other ways he viewed Sansa, he also saw his sister in her, who was most likely abused and killed by Gregor. So seeing Sansa get abused and him not being able to do anything about it was like living through that again.

That headcanon aside, it's also clear that Sansa, who was defenseless, still believed in goodness and still risked her life out of pure instinct for people who were as defenseless as she was (Dontos), something that Sandor hadn't done and couldn't do despite being strong and NOT defenseless. It put his cynicism to shame. Not only did she still believe in true knights, but she WAS a true knight / embodied the true knight ideal that he had been telling her didn't exist. You can tell how much that affected him and the worldview he'd held. It's really darn powerful.

Sorry for the rambling! I just really love the really complex and emotional relationship these two characters have, even completely disregarding the shipping aspect.