[ SECRET POST #2704 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2704 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they wanted a scene where the Hound admits he was going to rape Sansa but didn't go through with it. So romantic.

[(Anonymous)]

He didn't go there to rape her, he went to take her with him. Maybe try looking at the context of when he says this and *why* he would say such a thing to the person he was talking to.

[fauxkaren]

He didn't go there to rape her, but that scene has major overtones of sexual agression.

[(Anonymous)]

No, he didn't go there to rape her. But he admitted he considered it after she rejected him iirc. I will admit is has been a while since I read that book.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeas, I'm sure that the guy who ended up crying like a little girl over a stupid song was thinking of raping Sansa.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, because someone can't be awful in one moment and soft-hearted in a different context.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude. Do you realize that we are talking about the same scene? That it was only a few minutes between the rejection and leaving the room.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude. I'm just saying I think Sandor's kind of messed up in the head, and I wouldn't put it past him to have some crazy mood swing.

[(Anonymous)]

I realize it's probably futile to argue with a SanSan shipper, but do you realize just how many abusive men can turn on a dime and go from screaming/physical attack to sobbing and "I love you don't leave me"s? Lots. It's why quite a few of their victims get confused and stay.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what he thought of doing but I don't think Sandor ACTUALLY regrets not raping her/ripping out her heart. I think it was largely a case of trying to push Arya into killing him.

[(Anonymous)]

Point taken. Like I said, it has been a while since I've read the books. Might give them a reread soon.

[(Anonymous)]

He's all bark and no bite.

[(Anonymous)]

You have zero reading comprehension if you actually believe that he went to her room to rape her. Not even Sandor himself knows what the hell he wanted from her that night.

[(Anonymous)]

No, he didn't go through with the intention to rape her but didn't he consider it after she refused to go with him?

[(Anonymous)]

DA. I... don't think he did? IIRC, he comes in raving about taking her away and she's just too freaked out to say anything, and he threatens her at knifepoint for a song, which (the way he says it, and the way he's said it in the past) has a connotation of sex, but his meaning is ambiguous. There's nothing else that indicates whether he wanted to rape her or that he was angry because she turned him down (she didn't).

He later admits he wanted to rape Sansa to Arya as a way of goading her into killing him. Although it's arguable how much he meant it, I think part of his self-loathing is tied up in the fact that there was a kernel of truth in everything he told Arya -- he was attracted to Sansa and part of him wanted her, and he was crazy and desperate enough that night to do anything, and that part disgusted him.

[insanenoodlyguy]

I think Sandor cared for her. Love is a strong word, I'm not even sure if he was capable of that at that point in his life, but I think he saw in her the only genuinely good person he knew. And as much as he despised weakness, he was enamored of that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, he definitely cared for her. It caused him pain to see the abuse she was subjected to. The way the story is written, it actually comes off to me that in addition to all the other ways he viewed Sansa, he also saw his sister in her, who was most likely abused and killed by Gregor. So seeing Sansa get abused and him not being able to do anything about it was like living through that again.

That headcanon aside, it's also clear that Sansa, who was defenseless, still believed in goodness and still risked her life out of pure instinct for people who were as defenseless as she was (Dontos), something that Sandor hadn't done and couldn't do despite being strong and NOT defenseless. It put his cynicism to shame. Not only did she still believe in true knights, but she WAS a true knight / embodied the true knight ideal that he had been telling her didn't exist. You can tell how much that affected him and the worldview he'd held. It's really darn powerful.

Sorry for the rambling! I just really love the really complex and emotional relationship these two characters have, even completely disregarding the shipping aspect.