[ SECRET POST #2704 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2704 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As I've actually run across this in published works, meaning someone got paid and still put that in, I feel your pain. (IE. K. Armstrong's Bitten, it was all right until for some odd reason it had to be pointed out that the main female character was a liberal journalist from Canada but then commented on a completely US issue, the Bush election with the Florida flap and it pulled me so OUT of the story I was all, let's get back to werewolves PLEASE!)

[philstar22]

Oh, it is absolutely a published book issue. I read an essay by Sherilon Kenyon once where she complained that Buffy was too emasculating and that the seasons where Buffy was more feminine were better because they allowed Spike and Angel to be real men. I knew in that moment I was never going to read any of her books.

Then there are people like Terry Goodkind or Philip Pullman whose works are so completely about their philosophical view that they lose the story altogether and the books become preachy messes.

[(Anonymous)]

I despise that thought process (Buffy emasculating S&A).

[philstar22]

Me too. She pretty much missed the whole point of Buffy and is clearly one of those authors who forced their worldview into even places where it doesn't fit.

[(Anonymous)]

aarghhh Phillip Pullman makes me so mad

because i loved the Golden Compass and the worldbuilding and it was SO INTERESTING and it could have been so awesome!

and then the soapboxing started

what an awesome world & story, wasted.

[philstar22]

Exactly. I hate when authors do that even when I agree with their perspective. Politics shouldn't get in the way of the story when you are writing fiction. If it works with the story, great (hey, Lord of the Rings is made of conservative, which is not in any way me, but the story works and that makes me love it in spite of the politics).

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

In some ways I think the conservative Christian mindset that seeps through in LotR fits the pseudo-medieval setting. There are a lot of older moral standards that are implied in it, or fit into it naturally.

[diet_poison]

I read an essay by Sherilon Kenyon once where she complained that Buffy was too emasculating and that the seasons where Buffy was more feminine were better because they allowed Spike and Angel to be real men. I knew in that moment I was never going to read any of her books.

Man, I've never seen a single episode of Buffy but that mindset is making me DNW so hard

I mean, yuck

[philstar22]

Yuck is right. And also completely missing the point of Buffy. Buffy is all about empowerment (it has its problems, and I wouldn't say it is perfectly feminist, but female power is the point of the show).

[(Anonymous)]

If you mean Sherrilyn Kenyon, some of her books are very good, and some of them are very bad. They're all pretty heteronormative for the most part, but some of them were very original in plot and scope. I can't emphasize "some" enough, though.

[philstar22]

Anyone with the perspective that a character like Buffy is emasculating (and that there is such a thing as emasculating at all) is not someone whose books I want to waste time reading even if they are good.