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I'm sure if there were Rumlow/Bucky fics on AO3 they would be excellent and dirty-bad-wrong and disgusting just as they should be. (Not that I would read any such fic, though....

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~~You just reminded me I haven't checked the Cap section for a few days. Thanks for that.... And any future fic you might write.~~

There are three or four. Including one with the excellent line "Rumlow breaks entire teams in one him" o.O;

Hee! I promised myself that I wouldn't write Bucky fic until we knew what happened to him. Two months later I have a finished 20k word fic and another one in the works that's likely going to hit 40-50k)

I don't remember that particular line... Or wouldn't, even had I read these fics. But obviously I did not. Obviously.

Ugh, I almost want every Cap fic to be 40 or 50k, if it wasn't for the fact I would literally do nothing else. Bless you.

:D It makes me feel a bit weird that I remember it, to be honest.

I would feel better about my fics if the long ones didn't all involve horrible torture, PTSD and emotional baggage, regardless of fandom. ~~Plus I've realized I have no idea how to give the current one a happy ending. Like…no idea whatsoever.~~ But thank you for the blessing! <3

Okay, well, not much I can say about you needing to include torture in every fandom, but hey, if that does it for you that's alright! Plenty of people are in the same boat. And in the case of Winter Soldier, imo it would be worse if you ignored those issues entirely. Not only would it be unrealistic, it would be totally unbelievable to the point of (probably) ruining the fic. Bucky is who he is today because of the things he's been through, I see nothing wrong with exploring that.

Well, I only really write for two fandoms. One involves Bucky and the other a kid who was beaten to death with a tire iron and later resurrected (still buried) and then seduced by a woman obsessed with his father-figure. I have screwed up fandoms.

I want to believe that Hydra was so obsessed with their aims and goals, and treasured their asset so much that the only thing they ever told him to do was kill people (which would be bad enough). However, I don't have nearly enough faith in humanity to believe that not once in 70 years did some bastard use him to act out whatever horrific power fantasies lead people to want to rule the world. I can't believe that there was nobody who got off/got a rush from the idea that their ultimate weapon will also do anything they wanted.

What's the second fandom, out of curiosity? (If you don't mind me asking.) That is indeed fucked up.

Yea...as messed up as it is to say, it might be slightly easier for Bucky to deal with just having killed people against his will (which is a terrible, dumb sentence, but...) than having to remember being raped in addition (Though, I mean...they already took his memories, and his free-will, and...well, his life really, so I guess at that point...idek how you would manage to go on knowing any of that). Hydra aren't exactly saints, and 70 years is a long time; he must've had so, so many handlers and different hydra agents to work with.

Pre-reboot DC Comics. Specifically the second Robin, Jason Todd. And yeah, it's really fucked up.

A lot of MCU Bucky discussions end with "which is a terrible sentence", I find. Usually when discussing what would be worst for him. Was in a conversation a few weeks ago where a few people reached the conclusion that it might be better to just mercy-kill him instead of letting him remember everything (I disagree, but I do see why that might be argued). Apparently the woman who typed it first started tearing up while she was. :(

OH, Jason, duhhhhhhhh. I should've noticed that and it even sounded familiar but it didn't hit me. Poor Jason. What happened to him was extremely fucked up and the Batfamily can be massive dicks in how they treat him.

Ugh...I remember Bucky wanting to die when Steve used the cube to give his memories back, so maybe he would want that, but...yea, he obviously wasn't in a great place right then and things hadn't had time to settle, he hadn't had any time to process his thoughts and feelings or grieve for what had been done to him. I think MCU Bucky will eventually find something to live for, and he'll be glad he's alive.

the Batfamily can be massive dicks in how they treat him.

The sad thing is that the fics I've written on him were initially trying to FIX exactly that. I don't think any of my readers believe me anymore. ^^;

I think MCU Bucky will eventually find something to live for

Hope so. Because while Sebastian Stan has turned acting self-hating characters into a goddamn art form, I don't want that for Bucky. So, yeah. Bucky better find something to live for. Eventually for himself, but I would accept "to prevent Steve from having to make sad golden retriever eyes" initially. (And if Steve wants to forget about Erskine's request that he remain a good person for a few months, and go on vengeful killing spree of Hydra agents with Bucky? I would cheer even as my heart broke for both of them)

*looks at this thread and the one below it* Damn. We've talked a long time. :D

Oh man, Jason needs that fix baddddddd. Poor guy. I haven't read too many of the DC comics yet, and only a short mini-series that focused completely on him, but he's brought up so much as a cautionary tale and I feel like he doesn't deserve it. Definitely not to the extent it happens.

Well, Steve DID tell Peggy he would kill or capture every Hydra agent that he came across. Can't remember the exact line, but he went from, "I don't want to kill anyone, I just hate bullies" to "Those fuckers hurt Bucky, they're going down". So it wouldn't be entirely OOC I think.

...You're the anon I talked to a couple days ago about the comics, right? I feel like I've talked you at least several times, for a long, long time. We have a problem.

I will never forgive the writers/editors that decided what Batfamily's reactions to the entire Jason thing would be. Even Dick, the absolute king of not giving up on anyone ~~but himself~~ only tried to reach out once. (Granted, that was about the same time someone decided Dick would kick one of his closest friends in the face during the darkest point in his life. I may hate the reboot, but there were some damn stupid things that happened before it, too.)

"Those fuckers hurt Bucky, they're going down".

That 180 was so sad. :( And it may not be OOC, but it would still break my heart to watch it happen again. Steve is trying to be a good person by any decade's standards, and it would be heartbreaking to see him off carving a path of destruction through everyone from Hydra planners to their lab technicians. In my opinion. But I would still cheer.

...You're the anon I talked to a couple days ago about the comics, right?

If you mean the anon that tore apart the internet until she found the setup for Bucky beating up a bunch of people in a bar, then yes. :p

...I blame Ed Brubaker and Sebastian Stan (and goddamn Markus and McFeeley for creating that thrice-damned chair) for my part of the problem. They share equal guilt in the fact that my fangirl levels have hit critical levels after a good 2 years of nice, calm enjoyment.

It seems like every comic is always going to have bad periods. There are so many different writers who handle the characters...it's bound to lead to some painfully OOC or frustrating moments.

Who wouldn't, man? Who wouldn't. Though...IDK, maybe he'll 'be the better man' and spare them, but movie!verse Steve at least doesn't seem to mind killing. (Not saying he enjoys it or anything, mind.)

Hahaha, yes, good. I thought so! Once again I'm going to say you should get an account so I can recognize you more easily, but of course no pressure. :p

Well...I'd say that maybe the fangirl levels will lower a bit, but today they announced the release date for the movie, and once the dvd comes out we'll have special features and commentary and all kinds of goodies, so I doubt it.

DA

That's also the same day Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Season One comes out on DVD/Blu-Ray.

Ooo, is it really? I hadn't heard the AOS release date yet, huh...

Might buy both.

It bugs me when it's Dick Grayson. He's…one of my heroes, as silly as it is to call a fictional character a personal hero. And he had a rough set of years, between the rape and the character assassination. :(

I would be all torn. On the one hand, I want so much painful death for anyone who ever knew about what was going on with Bucky, and on the other I'm not sure I want to see Steve a hunter. :(

I exist a double-life online when it comes to fandom. I have a name that can be attached to my real life, and the sock that is pretty much used for writing fic in comic fandoms (my profession sometimes requires me to work with children. It could be bad if people found out that I write smut, extreme violence and the fallout of the latter). I wouldn't know which one to use here, tbh. /tmi.

…the first thought in my head should not be "damn, September 9th is a long time from now"! I've seen the darn movie in the theater multiple times. The most recent time I realized I knew a huge chunk of the dialogue. Gaaaah! *flailbreakssomething* This movie has ruined me. Ruined me, I tell you!

I don't think it's in the least bit silly. Lots of people have fictional character they look up to in some way, and calling them your hero isn't that much different.

Maybe he can just hurt a couple people? Maybe Bucky already got to the others so he never gets a chance. That's a bit better, right?

Ah, you don't have to of course, it was just a suggestion. (Though there's no reason if you ever choose to become a named user you can't make another account and use it exclusively for fs or dreamwidth.) I know there's reasons for going anon, though. Sorry, I wasn't trying to be pushy!

IDK, that was my first thought as well. How am I ever going to make it that long without a decent copy of the film...

Watch the film so many times you can quote the whole thing. Only then will you be truly happy.

Half the (mentioned-a-few-days-ago) original comic art on my wall is Titans or Dick Grayson. They mean a ridiculously great deal to me. Complete character assassination of them hurts my heart in a way very few things can. And now I will stop being maudlin!

Didn't think you were being pushy about de-anoning. You're the second person in three months to tell me I should stop babbling on anon, though. :D

I might also take the flip side of the coin. Bucky goes on a rampage. Steve runs after him to stop him and remind him that the war is over and he's a good man and he doesn't have to do this anymore. Maybe kills just the wo/man that Bucky is killing in that moment, to stop Bucky from doing it himself (cliche, yes. But I'd accept cliche in this case). But then there needs to be a lot of hugging. A LOT of it. Maybe some crying. ~~Wouldn't be adverse to some kissing, but I know perfectly well that isn't going to happen~~

I'm sure I will memorize all the lines when it comes out on DVD. Doing so before that could get…taxing on my financial state. :D

Ah, well, at least since comics are often changing writers you probably won't be stuck with one you hate for too long? Unless of course you hate most of them...in which case that would be a problem.

Aww, no, I didn't mean it that way. I have no problem with anons (I think anons are cool!), it's just easier to tell who people are when you have a name to associate them with. And I enjoy talking with you as well, so if you ever get a name you feel comfortable using I would friend you. (If you would even want to be friends in that situation. ... *awkward feet shuffle*)

I will take either or any of these scenarios with Bucky and/or Cap killing evil Hydra agents who totally deserve it. Any of them would make me happy. Especially if hugging comes after. It's been too long since Bucky had a hug. (Steve hasn't had a hug in just as long, right?)

Don't I know it.

*bitter* Since the DC reboot pretty much everything is wrong and horrible and the good writers get fired because how dare they want to give characters depth instead of angst? Before that, though you were correct. And it still holds true for Marvel, Image and IDW, thank god. *ohsobitter*

I promise to tell you if i ever make an DW account and you are still on FS when I do. :p

Seriously. If Cap 3 doesn't give me at least a good minute of hugging, I'm going to be damn disappointed. (Steve might have gotten a hug from Peggy at some point? But that is pretty much the definition of bittersweet, given the circumstances. And Sam seems like he might give hugs if they were needed, at least of the one-armed sort.)

*sighs* We've been compromised by two 95 year olds, one with a metal arm and the other with a spangly shield. Whoops.

:/ I never did understand why they bothered with rebooting in the first place. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good universe. (I realize things were getting convoluted, but comics fans have been dealing with that for a long, long time, so it wasn't going to stop them. I'm aware they wanted new readers but it doesn't seem like it would be worth risking the readers they already had.)

Aww, only if you want, anon.

Def could see Sam giving Steve a one-armed hug. Or any kind of hug, he's a friendly guy. Maybe Thor would? Thor would give anyone a hug. I want that to happen, now. I want Thor to pick up both Steve and Bucky at the same time and just hold them forever.

It happens.

Edited 2014-05-31 03:40 (UTC)

The rebooted it because a bunch of manchildren got together and wanted to relive the 90s era of comic books. Everything is still just as complicated, because nobody at DC actually knows what is still canon and what isn't, and…apparently they think that violent, horny, overly-testosterone-driven white male teenagers and twenty-something men are the only people who read comics. And I'm pretty sure DC's definition of what that demographic likes greatly underestimates them as human beings. (They didn't care. They basically verbatim said "fuck you" to anyone who wasn't in the aforementioned demographic.)

Time will tell!

I can just picture Bucky being really confused by that scenario. 70 years of being a brainwashed assassin, and a demigod comes and picks up up and hugs him. The sheer wtf of it might help him out. :)

I'm pretty sure the last time a movie compromised me so was…um….Big Fish. Maybe.

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