[ SECRET POST #2706 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2706 ⌋

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Comments

Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

Tried, untested theories you have about fandom. Those weird thoughts you've had but have nowhere to share them.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

My pet theory is that Tumblr is making fandom shit.

When fandom was mostly LJ based, the very nature of LJ meant most BNFs were at least articulate. Some even had a good grasp of the canon.

Now that fandom is mostly Tumblr based, the BNFs are the ones who can post the most crappy chibi art.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

It's more a shift from fic to art. As an artist, it's a good platform for art.

What I don't enjoy are the heavy handed ~very important message~ comics and tired memes for notes.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT True. It's really not great for fic though. And the sharing of ideas for meta.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's such a mess for meta, which is what I've gotten into lately. Impossible to keep track of discussions and have actual conversations, which makes me sad.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT It really is impossible to have a linear discussion. I'm beginning to think that meta is the foundation of good stories in fandom too. Certainly in my current fandom, the lack of proper discussion seems to be effecting the quality of the fic.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Ooh, that's actually a really interesting theory. I'd never thought of the connection before, but it has merit.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Well it certainly explains fandoms like Sherlock and Teen Wolf anyway.

I'm going to try posting some meta in my fandom, see if I can shake things up a bit. :)

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

How can it be 'tried' and 'untested'?

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

When the anon posting is really tired and mispelt 'untried'. ;)

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, okay! That makes sense.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

I think that the increased contact between the creators of art and the viewers of art (art, in this case, being shows and books and video games) has led to increased craziness in fandom, particularly what people like to call entitlement. The two sides have gotten too close to each other and it's bad for both, but there isn't any easy way to fix it. You can't put the genie back in the bottle now that it's out.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[dreemyweird]

Knowing the shit that happened to popular 19th- and 20th-century writers, I cannot agree with you. The entitlement issue is as old as the Lascaux drawings. I can just imagine a random caveman walking up to the artist and telling him some complete nonsense about his preferred drawing techniques.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT Have you got an example you can give us? That sounds really interesting.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[dreemyweird]

I think my favourite story is about Conan Doyle's being physiognomized by an Egyptian policeman who was given written instructions based on the SH stories. The man told Doyle that he 'showed criminal tendencies'.

http://books.google.ee/books?id=f2HGhZki-8MC&pg=PA1848&lpg=PA1848&dq=%22criminal+tendencies%22+Conan+Doyle&source=bl&ots=mwkDQXbOdM&sig=v7opG-vsbGcqcCvsGdxE2JdWC1Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KGiKU5iDGs714QSLtoGoCw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22criminal%20tendencies%22%20Conan%20Doyle&f=false

Not sure if that's the kind of thing the original anon meant, tbh, but the obnoxiousness and pervasiveness of Doyle's fanbase was truly astounding.

I'll post more links if I can get them; the issue with 20th-century poets, in particular, was that there was way more direct poet-to-public interaction than there is now. So entitlement was inevitable.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I agree with this. I think the art is inevitably changed by the interaction, and not for the better.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[(Anonymous)]

Too much awareness of the concept of homoeroticism has ruined a lot of same-sex friendships in TV and movies and has made slash boring, because a) the "no homo" is so visible and clunkily awkward in canon and b) fanfic authors don't even try to make a convincing argument and write believable character/relationship development anymore.

Slash is so much better for really old works, where the authors weren't always winking at the camera and so the relationships could be taken in different ways and still feel realistic a whole lot easier, and slash authors had to write convincingly to get the characters to fall in love.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[needled_ink_1975]

+MANY!

I want to read stories where I feel that the author cares about their characters. I don't get that when the author doesn't develop their characters; I don't get that when the plot (term used very... loosely) doesn't venture beyond the circumstances required to get those characters into bed.

At the same time, I nod my head when people say, "But writing a friendship that turns into more is HARD!" Yes, yes it is. But it's worth it; it's immensely satisfying to pull off a realistic friendship that turned into more.

And if writing was easy, we'd all be a lot better at it.

Re: Fandom meta theories

[solticisekf]

I love old TV for this reason. Two characters could hug or have a heart to heart conversation without creators being aware of slash shipping, fan baiting and whatnot.