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Not as much as some of them like to think they are. No, you are not fighting another version of the 60's Civil Right Movement because someone put the Commandments on a public space.

Seriously. And I think most of those Commandments are rather agreeable regardless of their source anyway, but that's another issue.

Maybe if they were printed in the opposite order. I'm not super comfortable with a list of rules that places "only worship the God of Abraham" and "respect the Sabbath" several places ahead of "don't murder anybody."

Besides, they always build monuments using the Protestant version, which is definitely not the one I learned. The version I was taught did not place "don't covet your neighbor's wife" in the same breath as "don't covet your neighbor's livestock." Kind of uncomfortable there.

I have never thought of the order as being order of precedence. huh

I'm not quite sure it's order of precedence as such? Like when someone was like "Hey man what's the most important commandments?" and Jesus was like "Love the Lord your God and love your neighbor as well as you do yourself. That covers the rest of it too." (this may be a paraphrase)

True - but even there, I can't help but notice that "love your neighbor" comes after "love God." The order of precedence may not be explicit, but to my ears it definitely speaks to priorities.

Thing is, the idea is that if you love God you will want to please him and you please him by being good. So not so much "As long as you love me all that murdering and shit is small potatoes", more "You say you love me and yet I have to EXPLICITLY TELL YOU not to murder people???"

Unfortunately, a disturbingly large number of people seem to interpret it that first way instead of the second way.

Besides, I would think it'd be better to motivate people to care about/refrain from harming others simply because it's the right thing to do, rather than because doing so will please their god. But that's a more minor quibble, admittedly.

Besides, I would think it'd be better to motivate people to care about/refrain from harming others simply because it's the right thing to do, rather than because doing so will please their god. But that's a more minor quibble, admittedly.

I don't think that's a minor quibble at all. I think it's actually one of the biggest ethical/moral problems with the Abrahamic religions. If God determines what is good, then morality is completely arbitrary. On top of that, if someone's basis for doing what's "right" is that she or he feels that she or he has to follow God, then she/he is not actually a good person -- she/he is simply someone who's constrained by an external source of dubious authenticity. What happens if she/he loses his/her faith?

It's something that comes up a lot. There are a lot of Christians who say "well, atheists don't do what God tells them, so how can they be good?" And it's like, you're fucking scary! You needing God to tell you what to do in order to not do bad things says a lot more about you than about non-believers.

(General you at the end there, of course)

Right, but... you DO remember that that's not in the Ten Commandments, right? Hell, if people wanted to put up monuments with, say, the Sermon On The Mount, or the story of the good Samaritan, or any of Jesus's various other STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE quotes, I'd object a lot less.

The Ten Commandments, however, are a problem. For one thing, which ten you pick is, explicitly, a sectarian decision. (No, they're not universally agreed on. Look it up.)

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