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yes but does it always have to happen immediately? it's so disrespectful. at least give it a couple of days. because for so many people it's just them using someone's tragic death to pimp their political cause

The thing about ignoring the causes behind these types of things is that the problems never get addressed. We kind of HAVE to talk about certain things, because it is painfully obvious there is an issue here and it needs to be worked on.

I'm confused as to what I said that made you think I advocate straight-up ignoring the problem?

Where do you draw the line between "trying to make sure something like this doesn't happen again" and "turning a tragedy into a political issue"? This always confuses me. If I'm shot and killed, I would want people to be talking about the factors that led to that happening and how to stop it from happening in the future.

Partly this is just me and my "there is no clear line between 'politics' and 'not politics'" thinking that's always getting me into trouble.

Not diet-poison, but whatever.

My issue with these things is that people jump to conculsions to support certain idealogies before even most of the facts come out and make it a single issue thing, oversimplifing or flat out denying the other issues involved.

What about it being the single issue that America should have better gun control laws? It's obviously not the only issue - you have to have other issues than just owning a gun to go on a mass shooting spree - but access to guns is definitely the common denominator in all gun related shootings. Surprisingly. And gun control measures has been effective in stopping gun-related violence in other countries e.g. Australia. So why is it a problem pr disrespectful that people keep on asking for a proven preventative measure to be put in place after repeated atrocities?

In any case, I'd much prefer for people to want to change something than for people to put their heads in the sand.

People who deny misogyny played a huge factor into what happened in the virgin killer shootings is doing exactly that.

"virgin killer" shootings? Really? Is that what people are calling that??

DA

Yeah. That about describes my reaction. They're showing a "documentary" on TV next week and it was called The Virgin Killer and I sort of went, 'Wait. What?'

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I can understand that but I always have a problem with oversimplifying and denying multiple issues in an attempt to highlight the only issue you care about. It's not a problem unique to people trying to figure out how to react to a tragedy, but a lot of people act like it is and label it "politicizing the issue" when I don't think that's the real problem.

I feel like the important thing is remembering that you're dealing with real people and be sensitive to their needs in addition to analyzing the situation in a sensible way that doesn't blindly support one ideology. People act like it's one or the other but I don't think it is.

First off, I'm going to be honest and say that I'm the gun control anon who's been posting in other parts of this thread.

I agree with you that people are jumping to labelling people talking about the issues that have led to mass shootings as "politicizing the issue". It's like, what, we're not allowed to have critical thought about tragedies, and discuss underlying issues towards preventing those tragedies happening again, because wanting to stop being killed in the future is somehow 'disrespectful' to the dead?

I honestly don't get it. But then, I think about it a bit more and I do get it - I think people label discussions surrounding these shootings as 'political' or 'ideological' mostly when they actually contradict their own ideology, and they don't want to have to reexamine their own beliefs at the some time as working out how to react to a tragedy.

I think there's a difference between taking political action, and jumping on the tragedy immediately when you hear it saying "see, this is why I'm right and you're wrong!" It can be a subtle difference, but the latter just seems really gross to me.

I guess I can see that. There have been times when I've felt that the latter is going on. Like after one of the shootings a few years ago (Sandy Hook, maybe; it's sad that I don't even remember which one because they all blur together) there was a knife attack in China. It made me uncomfortable that the only way it was being reported was as a counterpoint to people against gun control: "Notice how no one was killed? That's a lot less likely when there are guns involved." No one seemed to care about the incident for its own sake.

But I think overall, I draw the line in a different place than most people who complain about that.

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