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⌈ Secret Post #2717 ⌋

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Well, I guess both his kids and his wife did survive, so...

'Bout to say. If we're measuring success in terms of familial survival then Walt wins.

Yeah, but it's not like Catelyn is at fault for her family's deaths.

She kinda is.

in the sense that she isn't at all, yeah.

She kidnapped Tyrion and set off a civil war and endangered Ned. She let Jaime go so the Starks no longer had a trump card.

*Joffrey executed Ned, turning an unstable situation to one that courted open war. And then Robb declared war instead of suing for peace.

And if Catelyn hadn't kidnapped Tyrion...

And if Littlefinger hadn't lied to Catelyn to get her to suspect him.

And if Joffrey hadn't had someone attempt to assassinate Bran.

And if Jaime hadn't pushed Bran from a window.

And if Littlefinger hadn't had Lysa murder Jon Arryn which was why the royal family was at Winterfell in the first place...

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The civil war still would have happened.

Once Robert Baratheon died, civil war was inevitable in Westeros. The only question is the form it would take.

diet_poison - 2014-06-11 23:46 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2014-06-12 01:12 (UTC) - Expand

That civil war was comin' whether or not Catelyn had kidnapped Tyrion. It was a deeply unstable political situation.

lmao right?

And like even if Catelyn still kidnapped Tyrion if Tywin hadn't sent men to terrorize the Riverlands the situation wouldn't have escalated in the same way.

What? Noooo, it was entirely Cat's fault. It's not like Westeros was a powder keg (or jar of wildfire?) waiting to go off.

Catelyn is the most interesting mom in the world. She doesn't always screw up, but when she does, the whole world burns.

she made the deal with frey that robb would marry one of his daughters

Which Robb agreed to.

And then he was the one who broke the agreement.

Yep, gotta agree with this.

I'm pretty indifferent on Cat but trying to pin the blame on her for something Robb did completely on his own is silly and feels like reaching.

That was a good deal and if Robb had been able to think with the correct head they would have been fine.

how was it a good deal? ned still got decapitated

What the fuck are you talking about with Ned?

The Frey deal happened well after Ned bit it and in a totally different context. It was a good deal because it secured the support of a crucial, well-located ally, at relatively little cost. Ned dying is unrelated. Seriously I am mondo confused here.

in the show the deal was made before ned was killed.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-06-12 01:35 (UTC) - Expand

lol, so true.

Yeah, Robb kind of screwed that one up all on his own.

True. Robb and Ned are not on Catelyn's hands. And Walt did a lot of emotional and psychological damage, so Catelyn wins there.

With nine million dollars in the bank too.