[ SECRET POST #2717 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2717 ⌋

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Comments

[dratinis]

Oh god, now I'm wishing they'd put her in some badass armor, but of course that'd never happen. Gotta stick to all that gendered marketing, and we all know little girls don't like awesome looking armor, nope.

I'm a sad camper. :C

[iceyred]

If they made a Mulan doll with armor I would buy it and put it in my office in a heartbeat.

Disney likes to rain on parades.

[(Anonymous)]

we all know little girls don't like awesome looking armor, nope.

Not the little girls they're marketing to, no. Those like girls like pink and frills and princesses and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Or maybe those little girls also like armor and are getting their armor fix elsewhere.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe they *would* like armor, if it was stylishly designed and sparkly and, okay, maybe pink, but they've never been exposed to much in the way of awesome armored girls and have been absorbing the general social pressure all their life which says that pretty dresses are the only acceptable outfit for an awesome girly girl. The line isn't drawn clearly between 'likes pink and sparkly pretty stuff' and 'likes active characters kicking butt in armor' -- it's entirely possible for one person to like both. It's just that society at large thinks otherwise, and little girls rarely get the option to see the two aspects juxtaposed and realize they like it.

I think there's plenty of little girls out there who'd like Mulan in ornate, pretty, but functional armor, or for that matter who'd like a princess who also happened to wear knight's armor.

[crunchysunrises]

And there are other little girls who wouldn't like it. It's all very well and good to scream "societal pressure made you this way!" except sometimes it didn't. Sometimes that just who she is... and (socially) pressuring her to change to fit your agenda isn't going to help that little girl or anyone like her.


And I'm not sure why it has to be an either/or on the doll design front. If Sailor Moon can put out a half dozen different models for each sailor scout, Disney can put out two or three different Mulan dolls.

[(Anonymous)]

okay, but have you noticed how there are very very very few girls characters for little girls who are not traditionally feminine, let alone who wear armor? there aren't very many sources for girls who do like that stuff to get their fix. it doesn't make a significant impact on girly-girls to market one character who is canonically not super feminine in an actually not super feminine way.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

They can, but they don't. Disney could easily put out Armor Mulan, In-Training Mulan, Everyday Clothes Mulan, and Pretty Dress-Up Mulan if they wanted to. But they're convinced that most of them wouldn't sell. Maybe they're right about that, or maybe they're wrong. They're one of the biggest children's media companies out there, so I feel they could probably reshape the expectations to some degree if they really tried. But they have no interest in doing that -- they just roll with the current zeitgeist.

And I'm not talking about pressuring any individual girl. But there are already a lot of individual girls who are getting pressured by people saying that liking action and fighting and sports and so on makes you an icky tomboy who can't ever be an awesome princess or get married or anything. (Slight exaggeration, but only slight.) Why is it okay to keep on letting them get pressured this way, and then act like it's the only way to prevent a complete flip-flop on the pressure, as if there has to be exactly one and only one archetype approved for girls? If Disney put out a movie even further along the spectrum than, say, Mulan or Brave were, where a princess dons knightly armor and goes out to save the day, it's still a drop in the bucket compared to all the Princess Classic movies -- but it'd be nice for girls who like to be the brave armored hero to have a role model for a change.

[dratinis]

Pink, frills and princesses are absolutely great, and I do agree that there's nothing wrong with that. The main problem (for me at least) is that a lot of marketing stuff seem to focus ONLY on that when it comes to girls. I know that little tiny me would've found an armored Mulan doll to be really cool. Even better if she came with a pretty dress, so you could switch outfits. Maybe I'm projecting, though.

Also, I'm sorry if you didn't see this comment til now. I go to sleep early because I'm 20something going on to 3,467. :C

[(Anonymous)]

The armor wasn't her, either, JSYK. It was Ping.

The first time we see Mulan dressing and acting as the identity where she is most comfortable is when she's in her end-of-the-movie blue dress.