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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-12 06:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #2718 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2718 ⌋

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Re: playing with balls

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
So do you judge a beiber fan less harshly than you judge a sport fan?
Artistic ability does not make someone a more worthwhile person than physical ability.
Example: You have to go out drinking with either Dwayne Johnson (Professional wrestler) or Robin Thick (Abhorent musician) Or Tracey Emin (professional artist) or Richard Dwarkin (Academic who seems to have self satisfied smugness down to an artform in itself)

You see what I'm getting at, right? All of those people are overpaid and over esteemed in their respective disciplines, why then label any one of those disciplines inferior?
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Re: playing with balls

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-06-13 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Your "gotcha" example is flawed, though, because Johnson is more of an actor these days (and a pretty decent one, all told) -- setting aside the fact that US pro wrestling is almost entirely stagecraft anyway.

To actually answer that, though, I probably would hang out with Johnson, because he does seem like a decent guy.

The problem here is getting involved in details. Beiber is a dipshit, yes, but that doesn't make music and sport the same thing. And it's not about individual worth; it's about how much time, effort, and money we put into physical acumen versus how much we put into other pursuits. We as a society simply don't value academics or art as much as we do sports, and what's more, the difference in value is completely outsized.

Re: playing with balls

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Quite right, he is more of an actor these days. And to answer your point about how highly we as a society value art versus physical prowess, let me ask you how much do you think he makes per movie, compared to his wrestler days? There's a reason Arnie went into movies instead of staying in the strongman game. Who's bank account do you think you'd rather have, David BEckhams bank account as of right now, or his bank account as of his footballing days?

I really don't see the sports industry as any more a financial black hole as any other form of entertainment.

My point with the Johnson Vs Beiber is the idea that you judge fans harsher if they don't choose the same interests as you, inspite of the fact that there are some damn fine reasons to be more into sport than music
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Re: playing with balls

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-06-13 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
What would those reasons be? (excluding amusia or deafness or other physical/medical condition precluding enjoyment of music)
Edited 2014-06-13 00:30 (UTC)

Re: playing with balls

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Beiber.

I wouldn't necesserilly judge a beiber fan harshly, but I think I'd find more to argue with a beiber fan than I would a football fan.

Beiber does not represent the whole of the music industry, but he is a part of it, and not a part that corroborates you're "Music is inherently superior to sport" viewpoint

Every complaint you're levelling at the sport industry could just as easily be levelled at the parts of the music industry that encourages the existence of the Justin beiber product.

Movies. Give me an enjoying game of football over the latest Michael Bay abortion. Give me an industry that punishes John Terry over an industry that glorifies roman Polanski

Videogames. look at.... shit I don't need to tell you about the AAA games industry at the moment.

Comics. Look at the most famous man in comics - Stan Lee. He's just absurdly evil, and we love him. He's a phenominal rippoff artist, and we have been seen him cashing major movie bucks for years based on his butt-fucking of Ditko.

Hell look at Science - Edison turned progress and achievement in to double dealing and lining his own pocket.

Tell me the sport industry is more deserving of judgement just because you don't value it as highly as these other industries both financially and artistically.

Every single entertainment industry is gouging as much cash as it can, and while there are always better any worse people in the industry every industry that can make money will do so with the most appauling morals, will try to empart as little of value as they can get away with. Sport shouldn't be valued any higher than these industries, but it sure as shit doesn't deserver to be valued any lower.
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Re: playing with balls

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-06-13 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Except I'm aiming my complaints at not just the sports industry, but sports as a whole. The Beiber thing is strictly cherrypicked, so is namedropping Michael Bay, so is namedropping Roman Polanski or anyone else. None of that is relevant.

Are people just skipping the part where I linked to how much money sports makes vs. how much money other forms of entertainment make? When people start getting evicted from their homes to make room for a video game tournament then they'll be equivalent.