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⌈ Secret Post #2718 ⌋

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I'm okay with my attitude being extreme. I think our glorification of physical ability over that of academic or artistic ability is killing society, and yeah, I DO judge people who like sports more than art for that reason.

So do you judge a beiber fan less harshly than you judge a sport fan?
Artistic ability does not make someone a more worthwhile person than physical ability.
Example: You have to go out drinking with either Dwayne Johnson (Professional wrestler) or Robin Thick (Abhorent musician) Or Tracey Emin (professional artist) or Richard Dwarkin (Academic who seems to have self satisfied smugness down to an artform in itself)

You see what I'm getting at, right? All of those people are overpaid and over esteemed in their respective disciplines, why then label any one of those disciplines inferior?

Your "gotcha" example is flawed, though, because Johnson is more of an actor these days (and a pretty decent one, all told) -- setting aside the fact that US pro wrestling is almost entirely stagecraft anyway.

To actually answer that, though, I probably would hang out with Johnson, because he does seem like a decent guy.

The problem here is getting involved in details. Beiber is a dipshit, yes, but that doesn't make music and sport the same thing. And it's not about individual worth; it's about how much time, effort, and money we put into physical acumen versus how much we put into other pursuits. We as a society simply don't value academics or art as much as we do sports, and what's more, the difference in value is completely outsized.

Quite right, he is more of an actor these days. And to answer your point about how highly we as a society value art versus physical prowess, let me ask you how much do you think he makes per movie, compared to his wrestler days? There's a reason Arnie went into movies instead of staying in the strongman game. Who's bank account do you think you'd rather have, David BEckhams bank account as of right now, or his bank account as of his footballing days?

I really don't see the sports industry as any more a financial black hole as any other form of entertainment.

My point with the Johnson Vs Beiber is the idea that you judge fans harsher if they don't choose the same interests as you, inspite of the fact that there are some damn fine reasons to be more into sport than music

What would those reasons be? (excluding amusia or deafness or other physical/medical condition precluding enjoyment of music)

Edited 2014-06-13 00:30 (UTC)

Beiber.

I wouldn't necesserilly judge a beiber fan harshly, but I think I'd find more to argue with a beiber fan than I would a football fan.

Beiber does not represent the whole of the music industry, but he is a part of it, and not a part that corroborates you're "Music is inherently superior to sport" viewpoint

Every complaint you're levelling at the sport industry could just as easily be levelled at the parts of the music industry that encourages the existence of the Justin beiber product.

Movies. Give me an enjoying game of football over the latest Michael Bay abortion. Give me an industry that punishes John Terry over an industry that glorifies roman Polanski

Videogames. look at.... shit I don't need to tell you about the AAA games industry at the moment.

Comics. Look at the most famous man in comics - Stan Lee. He's just absurdly evil, and we love him. He's a phenominal rippoff artist, and we have been seen him cashing major movie bucks for years based on his butt-fucking of Ditko.

Hell look at Science - Edison turned progress and achievement in to double dealing and lining his own pocket.

Tell me the sport industry is more deserving of judgement just because you don't value it as highly as these other industries both financially and artistically.

Every single entertainment industry is gouging as much cash as it can, and while there are always better any worse people in the industry every industry that can make money will do so with the most appauling morals, will try to empart as little of value as they can get away with. Sport shouldn't be valued any higher than these industries, but it sure as shit doesn't deserver to be valued any lower.

Except I'm aiming my complaints at not just the sports industry, but sports as a whole. The Beiber thing is strictly cherrypicked, so is namedropping Michael Bay, so is namedropping Roman Polanski or anyone else. None of that is relevant.

Are people just skipping the part where I linked to how much money sports makes vs. how much money other forms of entertainment make? When people start getting evicted from their homes to make room for a video game tournament then they'll be equivalent.

I think our glorification of physical ability over that of academic or artistic ability is killing society

yes? I definitely see where you're coming from, but I don't see how that means everyone ever is supposed to hate sports now and liking sports is suddenly a bad thing. Hell, there are so many people (myself included) who need to do more physical activity for the sake of health. Human bodies are meant to be active.

and yeah, I DO judge people who like sports more than art for that reason.

That is a really, really extreme reaction, and yeah I know you're ok with being extreme but I would go so far as to say it's a harmful reaction. Peoples' personal preferences don't deserve to be judged. There's a difference between finding sports more entertaining than art or academics, and refusing to support the latter or insisting on pouring finances into the former. The second group of people is merely a subset of the first.

The thing is, I firmly believe that the aggrandization of sports is harmful, so yes, I will judge people who support and perpetuate it.

How so?
I can see harm in judging someone based on their interest (it inherently leads to conflict and resentment and a "Them and Us" mentality that alienates and justifies mistreatment)

Can you, in such clear terms, explain how people liking sports more than any other form of mindless entertainment, leads to harm?

And Is it all forms of physical prowess? What about people who like the ballet? It's an artform, but requires atheletes displaying a physical prowess that most people can't match, so where does that fit in, and why is that different? (I'm presuming you're going to take the viewpoint that ballet is different, please excuse me if I'm wrong.)

If sports were little more than backyard games, or at most semi-organized regional games, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But the aggrandization of sports -- ballooning children's play into a massive industry that's worth billions if not trillions of dollars, leading to a colossal disparity in sports spending vs other forms of spending -- entertainment, research, education, infrastructure, whatever -- is inherently harmful, can we not agree on that? It's outsized, it's corrupt, and people who willingly participate in this and spend money to keep the sports machine running so it can mow over other aspects of our society are perpetuating that harm.

I don't view ballet as a sport. The primary difference is that it's putting on a show and showing an individual's prowess; the competitive aspect is strictly based on the complexity of the dancing, whereas with professional sports the competitive aspect is all-encompassing (two sports teams sportsing really hard to get the sports ball into the sports hole or whatever) and individual skill is reduced to numbers and statistics.

calling all sports "children's play" is rather degrading to adults who like sports...maybe "degrading" isn't the best word, but it definitely seems you're intending to be derisive here.

Edited 2014-06-13 02:00 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the intent. Sports are, and should remain, something kids play in their backyard. It teaches them teamwork and is good exercise. It's not something grown men (and women) should be doing into their 20s and 30s.

Comics / Video games / cartoons are, and should remain, something kids Read / play / watch. It's not something grown men (and women) should be doing into their 20s and 30s.

This is condescending and silly. So adults aren't allowed to enjoy a nice game once in a while? Are all adults obligated to do solitary, boring* exercise?

*I know some people really enjoy running, swimming, etc. but I think many people have way more fun playing group games for exercise, which I suspect is a large part of the reason adults like to do it

but aggrandization of sports =/= simply enjoying sports

what you said was that you judged people who personally preferred sports over art

at least, that is what it seemed you were trying to say

enjoying sports = buying into the industry = aggrandization of sports.

You do realize you can enjoy sports without ever paying a dime into the industry, right? Except, I guess, whatever it costs to buy basic supplies.

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