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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-12 06:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #2718 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2718 ⌋

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nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Well...

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-06-13 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Values? No. Understanding of science and research principles? Yes.

The alleged causation between vaccines and autism has been disproven multiple times, and even the original study alleging it in the first place has been retracted. The cons of vaccines are vastly outweighed by the pros, and the best way to protect the few who can't take vaccines is to make sure everyone around them is vaccinated.

But the more people go un-vaccinated, the less effective herd immunity is. Being against all vaccines is spitting in the face of over a century of scientific advancement and research.

Re: Well...

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
I particularly like the argument "Well, x disease isn't a problem any more so why should I get my kid vaccinated against it?"

X disease isn't a problem *because* people are getting vaccinated against it.
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Re: Well...

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-06-13 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yes...and many such "X diseases" are making a comeback now that people are vaccinating less.

Can't people connect the dots? x.x
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Re: Well...

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-06-13 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
What most people don't realize is that a lot of those diseases are still around - we just don't see them because people are vaccinated against them.

That said, I remember reading an article a while back about how certain diseases that were effectively wiped out years ago are making such a resurgence in some areas that old doctors are either being asked to continue working more or are even being consulted/pulled out of retirement, because younger doctors have no experience with them and little to no training for disease that were, up until recently, classified as rare diseases...because of the vaccines. -_-
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Re: Well...

[personal profile] funyarinpainahat 2014-06-13 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
There's another, deeper societal issue brought up by the "vaccines cause autism" argument.

It implies that the person saying it would risk their children catching a dangerous disease and possibly dying from it rather than increase their chances of having autism.

And that is disgusting.
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Re: Well...

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
a poorly understood, often debilitating and lifelong condition that is expensive and difficult to treat and can make you unable to communicate even on a basic level with your own child.

As someone who is autistic (and professionally diagnosed), I take umbrage at the word debilitating. It is lifelong, and it's not easy, but debilitating? That can happen but probably not as often as you think. People with autism can live fulfilling lives and not see their condition as debilitating. Just ask anyone involved with GRASP. You can also check out Wired.com's numerous pieces that discuss autism. I'll leave this one here since it's my favorite, but rest assured there are a lot of articles that discuss the condition, treatment and perception.

http://archive.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-03/ff_autism?currentPage=all
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(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I've always liked you, but that was before I realized that you're obviously anti-vax.
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(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Not just the dying thing, with measles there were yes, 1,000 deaths a year in Britain, but many more children were left blind or deaf or with learning difficulties. So it is extraordinary that parents happily risk that. My feeling is that they are the ultimately selfish types who decide that they will rely on others and herd immunity, which of course hasn't worked because measles has returned.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that it's been so long that these diseases were common that people don't understand how incredibly destructive they can be.