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Well nature vs nurture is the eternal debate, and you can have someone turn out well/poorly whatever their upbringing. I am grateful for the way my parents nurtured me, and ESPECIALLY for being homeschooled. (I think homeschooling gets a bad rap because by its very nature it happens at HOME...soooo if your home life is sucky it's gonna suck) Growing up I was never jealous of my public-schooled friends--you have to wake up HOW early?? And spend HOW long sitting in a chair?? And do HOW much busywork?? Tell me again about how being bullied is a part of life and 'everyone is scarred by highschool'??

I learned out of books, and went to mom if I didn't understand something; if something was easy for us we got to get through it quickly and we had extra time for things that were hard. I had no trouble doing independent study in college, and graduated Summa Cum Laude in Biology (DISSECTING LIKE A BAWWWSS) and--miracle of miracles!--interacted with other human beings with no problem. (for that matter, growing up most of my public-schooled friends were only 'socialized' with people their same age--often even just the same grade--whereas I could get along with adults and little kids equally well.)

*spongebob rainbow* HOMESCHOOL

I think the reason so many people have issues with homeschooling is because their experiences with it are a lot like mine - that it isn't for the sake of giving the kids a better education, but for the sake of religious indoctrination, preventing kids from learning about sex ed, evolution, etc.

The other thing is that homeschooling can be great if you have parents who are well-invested it...but that doesn't always happen i.e. some who can't teach their kids well for one reason or another (and whose kids can't learn well from books), some who don't invest in making sure their kids get in some social interaction outside of school, some who reject certain educational standards, etc. And obviously this sort of thing can happen anywhere, but it comes off as egregious in homeschooling because if there is a problem, then there's no one else around to catch it.

(And while I'll be the first to say this is somewhat unfounded, I know that in some places, homeschooling has a reputation of being used to cover up abusive home situations - and I think that while people probably know this isn't necessarily some bigger problem compared to kids who go to school and also hide abusive homelives, this stereotype can feed subconsciously into people's attitudes about home education).

I definitely agree there is some value to home-schooling...but I also see too many ways it can go wrong, which is why I tend to be dubious about it.

Thing is, there's just as many ways that PUBLIC schooling can go wrong, but because that's the 'standard' people don't think about those issues or really put that into the equation. Like, people always flap their hands and say "but what about the homeschooled kids' socialization??" (which is a word I never hear outside of people talking about homeschool vs public, lol) but no one says "Well, how much use is being exposed to a lot of other kids if cliques or bullying or [w/e] are a big part of that school 'socialization'?" Or how even if a parent isn't terribly 'qualified', a 1:1 teacher/student ratio has a lot of benefits over a highly qualified public school teacher trying to teach 30 highly varied students at the same time to the same level etc etc.

I don't really have any issues with homeschooling as a concept - I just have issues with how it is now, which is very lasseiz faire and unregulated (at least in my own experiences with it, though I recognize that this isn't as much of an issue in many areas). A lot of shit goes down in public schooling, too, but at least there are more people involved to detect when something is wrong and step-in. If there were more regulations around homeschooling - and if they were actually enforced to some degree, because I don't care what the average religious rights crackpot says, every student needs to at least know about evolution, even if they disagree with its veracity - then I wouldn't really have any problems with it in general.

I agree with you about knowing about evolution. I find myself wondering why people are incapable of just saying "We don't believe this stuff, but you have to learn it anyway, for educational standards reasons." That was the attitude at my church school at least.

Because having to teach their kids science is a violation of their religious freedoms. -_-

Their religious freedom to be uneducated idiots.

That is one of the types of Christian that makes me think "Stop being on my side!".

(And while I'll be the first to say this is somewhat unfounded, I know that in some places, homeschooling has a reputation of being used to cover up abusive home situations - and I think that while people probably know this isn't necessarily some bigger problem compared to kids who go to school and also hide abusive homelives, this stereotype can feed subconsciously into people's attitudes about home education).

It's not so much a "stereotype" as it is something that happens occasionally, and has disastrous consequences when it does. Because while abused children at public schools can still be overlooked, they are at least in contact with mandatory reporters for a significant portion of their day, meaning that if they feel safe to do so, they have an opportunity to tell someone what's happening at home. Abused children who are homeschooled have no such opportunity. There have been cases in which parents have pulled their children out of public school and "decided to homeschool" in response to abuse inquiries. Some of those children ended up dead. That's not all or even most homeschool families, but it's not just some spurious stereotype either.

Gee, I went to public school and have always been able to interact with adults and kids too. Imagine that. And what sort of freaky single grade schools did your friends go to? I never went to a school where we only socialised with those in the same grade. I now work in education and in our district's elementary schools, multi age interaction is encouraged, through reading/activity buddies and other combined activities.

And it's awesome homeschooling worked for you, but it doesn't for every kid--just as public schooling isn't always the best for every kid either.

Calm down bro! I did say 'most of my friends', not 'all kids everywhere' (or at least I meant to). They didn't go to single-grade schools, but they did take classes with students of the same grade as them...? And they were in school 7 hours a day which restricted the amount of time they could interact with people out of school.

In my defense, I even started my post with saying that you can have a good or poor experience regardless of your situation. My problem is that any time this topic comes up, for everyone who said 'homeschooling was best FOR ME' there were three people saying 'homeschooling sucks FOR EVERYBODY'. :\

You really don't understand how insular social circles in grade schools can be. Through all my years in grade school, I did not regularly socialise outside my grade/class*-mates. It became even more evident when I moved from my tiny church school to a large public high school for grades 9 and 10. While I was there I almost never socialised outside my grade, and it seemed to be a systemic thing through the whole school.

I would like to acknowledge the independent study bit you mentioned. I find independent study incredibly hard and always did terribly in my attempts at Tafe because it's often based heavily on that. I attended both private (church) and public school.

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