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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-12 06:40 pm

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Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-06-13 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
I think the reason so many people have issues with homeschooling is because their experiences with it are a lot like mine - that it isn't for the sake of giving the kids a better education, but for the sake of religious indoctrination, preventing kids from learning about sex ed, evolution, etc.

The other thing is that homeschooling can be great if you have parents who are well-invested it...but that doesn't always happen i.e. some who can't teach their kids well for one reason or another (and whose kids can't learn well from books), some who don't invest in making sure their kids get in some social interaction outside of school, some who reject certain educational standards, etc. And obviously this sort of thing can happen anywhere, but it comes off as egregious in homeschooling because if there is a problem, then there's no one else around to catch it.

(And while I'll be the first to say this is somewhat unfounded, I know that in some places, homeschooling has a reputation of being used to cover up abusive home situations - and I think that while people probably know this isn't necessarily some bigger problem compared to kids who go to school and also hide abusive homelives, this stereotype can feed subconsciously into people's attitudes about home education).

I definitely agree there is some value to home-schooling...but I also see too many ways it can go wrong, which is why I tend to be dubious about it.

Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thing is, there's just as many ways that PUBLIC schooling can go wrong, but because that's the 'standard' people don't think about those issues or really put that into the equation. Like, people always flap their hands and say "but what about the homeschooled kids' socialization??" (which is a word I never hear outside of people talking about homeschool vs public, lol) but no one says "Well, how much use is being exposed to a lot of other kids if cliques or bullying or [w/e] are a big part of that school 'socialization'?" Or how even if a parent isn't terribly 'qualified', a 1:1 teacher/student ratio has a lot of benefits over a highly qualified public school teacher trying to teach 30 highly varied students at the same time to the same level etc etc.
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Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-06-13 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
I don't really have any issues with homeschooling as a concept - I just have issues with how it is now, which is very lasseiz faire and unregulated (at least in my own experiences with it, though I recognize that this isn't as much of an issue in many areas). A lot of shit goes down in public schooling, too, but at least there are more people involved to detect when something is wrong and step-in. If there were more regulations around homeschooling - and if they were actually enforced to some degree, because I don't care what the average religious rights crackpot says, every student needs to at least know about evolution, even if they disagree with its veracity - then I wouldn't really have any problems with it in general.
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Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2014-06-13 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you about knowing about evolution. I find myself wondering why people are incapable of just saying "We don't believe this stuff, but you have to learn it anyway, for educational standards reasons." That was the attitude at my church school at least.
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Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-06-13 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
Because having to teach their kids science is a violation of their religious freedoms. -_-
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Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2014-06-13 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
Their religious freedom to be uneducated idiots.

That is one of the types of Christian that makes me think "Stop being on my side!".

Re: What's Wrong With Attachment Parenting?

(Anonymous) 2014-06-13 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
(And while I'll be the first to say this is somewhat unfounded, I know that in some places, homeschooling has a reputation of being used to cover up abusive home situations - and I think that while people probably know this isn't necessarily some bigger problem compared to kids who go to school and also hide abusive homelives, this stereotype can feed subconsciously into people's attitudes about home education).

It's not so much a "stereotype" as it is something that happens occasionally, and has disastrous consequences when it does. Because while abused children at public schools can still be overlooked, they are at least in contact with mandatory reporters for a significant portion of their day, meaning that if they feel safe to do so, they have an opportunity to tell someone what's happening at home. Abused children who are homeschooled have no such opportunity. There have been cases in which parents have pulled their children out of public school and "decided to homeschool" in response to abuse inquiries. Some of those children ended up dead. That's not all or even most homeschool families, but it's not just some spurious stereotype either.