[ SECRET POST #2719 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2719 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Jared Leto, Doctor Strange]


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03.
[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$]


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04.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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05.
[Odd Thomas]


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06.
[Murdoch Mysteries]


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07. http://i.imgur.com/4VlZYj4.png
[porny, illustrated]


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08.
[Big Time Rush]


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09. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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10. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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11. [SPOILERS for OUaT]



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12. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]
http://i.imgur.com/U7UnmUI.png
[gore]


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13. [WARNING for abuse]

[Lie to Me]


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14. [WARNING for dub-con/non-con/etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]

[Rick and Morty]






























Notes:

Might be ANOTHER 12 am day. Response time will again be slow, sorry.

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Comments

[diet_poison]

I don't know that it's fair to hold the author accountable for young, impressionable people reading fics that are M-rated. And as long as they're making it clear that what's going on ISN'T consent, tbh I think that's a good thing - people can see and go "oh this isn't consent" and understand that better (assuming you're writing it well).

Also, how is this any different than original authors writing dark things like rape and dubcon in their work? Or do you have an issue with that too?

[(Anonymous)]

Because the authors label their fic as dubcon but then present dubcon as something that is ok. they are going "Well one of those guys was coerced into having sex because of [insert blackmail here]. BUT he ended up enjoying it, so it is cool and they will fall in love."

What you never see is "Well this guy was coerced to have sex. And physically he responded to what was happening. But this is rape. RAPE. This is NON-consensual. This is not okay. And it should not be seen as such."

Labeling something as dub-con (really dubcon would be rape in the real world) does not mean that suddently young people are not going to absorb the idea that those kinds of things are acceptable.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'm not disagreeing with the basic idea that people are influenced by the media they absorb. That's self-evidently true. But the idea that we ought to modify any and all creative works so they present the 'correct' attitude is incredibly wrongheaded. Writers do not have an obligation to toe some moral line, lest vulnerable minds be led astray. In the end we all have a responsibility as individuals to critique and question the stories we're told, and nobody is born knowing how to do that. We were all easily influenced young people, once.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying they should (hell I enjoy dubcon) BUT they should not act like they have some moral high ground in regards to things like Blurred Lines or rape jokes.

[kallanda_lee]

It's not about moral high ground, though.

You can acknowledge you have a kink or fetish for something in fiction (or a controlled BDSM setting) but be very much against it happening in real life.

[siofrabunnies]

So, I like horror movies. I usually root for the villain, because the heroes are usually assholes, and the villain is often just more creative or interesting a person, or just because villain=plot. Seeing the (fictional) limits of human physical or mental endurance is fascinating. I especially like it when the hero fights back with a vengeance and avenges all their fallen friends, or whatever.

Am I not allowed to say that murder is wrong?

[diet_poison]

Moral high ground? lol so nobody is allowed to critique anything basically...

[diet_poison]

Ok, that is a good point about dubcon. Hm.

Now I'm wondering why people use the dubcon label instead of non-con.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

For me it's a sliding scale. Dubcon < non-con < rape fic, in terms of darkness and graphic violence in the fic. I don't expect happy endings in rape fics (at least not without a five digit wordcount of h/c following the rape, and not with the rapist).

[diet_poison]

What specifically is the difference to you between dubcon and rape? If consent isn't clear, isn't it technically rape?

[kallanda_lee]

I've seen it a lot in fics where both parties are compromised: alcohol, sex pollen, coercion by a third party,... - i.e. when there is consent issue, but the people having sex do not have a victim/perpetrator dynamic.

[diet_poison]

hmmm, okay. I wish there were a more specific term for that.