[ SECRET POST #2719 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2719 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Jared Leto, Doctor Strange]


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03.
[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$]


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04.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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05.
[Odd Thomas]


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06.
[Murdoch Mysteries]


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07. http://i.imgur.com/4VlZYj4.png
[porny, illustrated]


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08.
[Big Time Rush]


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09. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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10. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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11. [SPOILERS for OUaT]



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12. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]
http://i.imgur.com/U7UnmUI.png
[gore]


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13. [WARNING for abuse]

[Lie to Me]


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14. [WARNING for dub-con/non-con/etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]

[Rick and Morty]






























Notes:

Might be ANOTHER 12 am day. Response time will again be slow, sorry.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Not to be nit-picking, but there's a difference between dubcon and noncon. To me, and to a lot of other people.

Being coerced (physically or merely emotionally) into sex and not enjoying it (regardless of whether your body is reacting) is rape and should be labelled as such (or as noncon).

Dubcon on the other hand is usually written as that blurry line that includes two drunk people having sex, persuasion where they both enjoy it once they get going, etc. I personally wouldn't consider two equally inebriated people fucking each other rape, even if there's the chance they wouldn't have done it sober. That's where the dubious comes in. It's not that it IS unconsented, it's more of a warning that some people could see it that way, or that in a different situation it might be.

And none of fics I've read that are labelled dubcon (or noncon) have ever been touted by the author as "This is totally awesome and right and everyone should endorse this."

The whole point of a dubcon tag is to let readers know that the issue of consent in that fic is/could be considered dubious in real world settings. That this is probably something you shouldn't be doing.

I don't think properly labelled rapefic is contributing to rape culture if it's written with genuine repercussions. I wrote a fic that involved kidnapping, rape, and borderline stockholm syndrome. That doesn't mean I think any of those things are okay, and that's the way they were treated in that fic. That those were BAD THINGS being done by a BAD PERSON. There was no happy ending, no rape-is-love, no ~they secretly liked it~.

[(Anonymous)]

BUt that is the thing, most dubcon fic (which again in the real world would be considered RAPE) is not written with genuine repercussions. And I am not saying authors can't write it, I am just saying if you do don't act like you have some kind of moral high ground in regards to media that might "influence rape culture".

because regardless of how you label it, it is still rape that is presented as okay. And young people are still going to consume it and be influenced by it (even if it has a one word tag of dubcon).

[(Anonymous)]

You keep saying, "because regardless of how you label it, it is still rape that is presented as okay". But it's not. I have never written (or read) a noncon/rape fic that was presented as, "This is awesome."

Dubcon, maybe not presented as 'okay', but more of a 'this could happen' scenario. People get drunk. People have sex while drunk. Maybe they wouldn't have had sex with that person if they both hadn't been drunk. I'm not talking one person is passing-out-drunk and the other is stone cold sober, because that falls under the definite noncon/rape umbrella to me.

And presenting a rapefic as a rapefic where rape is wrong and then objecting to something (a song, a BL novel, whatever) that DOES say rape is okay if they enjoy it, or rape is okay if they fall in love later is not ~acting like you have a moral high ground~. They're two different things.

That's like saying writing a Dexter fic about murder but then objecting to real world crime/murder isn't allowed because you wrote a fic that ~glorified~ murder/crime. They're two different things. Two different spectrums. You can't say to every writer, "You can't write that because in the real world it would be wrong." You also can't say, "If you write that, you can't object to things that are wrong in the real world."

[(Anonymous)]

Then people need to learn how to label properly. Because some things I see labeled as dubcon (someone being drugged, someone being blackmailed into having sex, someone telling the person no but then giving in) isn't dubcon.

[(Anonymous)]

And it's okay to think that people need to learn the difference between dubcon and noncon/rape and that things should be labelled. I fully agree with that.

When it comes to things like rape or extreme violence, or really anything that could be something someone would want to avoid in writing, it's often better to over label and lose a few readers (or choose a "I don't use warnings, you COULD find nasty things here, read at your own risk" label which puts the onus on the reader to either skip or read and accept responsibility) than not label something properly.

I just don't like the idea that someone who understands that rape is wrong but still writes fiction that touches on topics isn't allowed to object to real world instances where rape or consent issues are portrayed as okay. You can write about something and still agree that it's a bad thing.