[ SECRET POST #2721 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2721 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

Not to mention that in quite a lot of both slash AND gen whump, the male character *is* raped and subjected to sexualized violence, and he is still seen as heroic and sympathetic and he is portrayed as brave and strong for suffering such horrific acts, especially if he manages to keep some shred of dignity and defiance about him.

I really think it's about the RL context than anything else. A lot of the reason whump for male characters is so popular and guilt-free is because it's a way of inverting RL power dynamics rather than reinforcing them. But sex and violence is and has always been somewhat related. The whole extremes-of-sensation, viscerally relatable embodiment, heightened awareness of physical bodies, empathy thing. I guess the other element is that it's more likely that a whumped male character will be a main character or otherwise well-developed, while a lot of female ones are flat characters.

Now I feel obliged to plug that AWESOME fan vid about that whole "suffers beautifully" male-whump-in-fandom-trope. You're supposed to pinpoint the moment in the vid where it goes from "yum, hot" to "ew omg this is so gross":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M392_kRIxjA

[esteefee]

I was *just thinking* about that vid. Thanks for finding the link.

[intrigueing]

I'm somewhat embarrassed to say that I had no real line where I went "ew" and stayed in the "ew" zone. Some of the clips made my skin crawl, but then the next clip came and I was like "oh yay!" again.

[esteefee]

haha, me too. I mean, they'd already pulled out the knives and whips before they embedded Han in carbonite...permanent disfigurement versus a little freezer burn? And then came Benton Fraser...oh, you can always beat up the Mountie a little. Yum.

[ketita]

I noticed this too - one minute I'm like D: and then there's Dean with an attractive trickle of blood at the corner of his mouth.

ETA: another thing is, I think there's a big difference between "fantasy" violence and "realistic" violence. Some of the things they show, like people with glowing sigils and writhing and stuff, I think that if it's not super real it allows people to enjoy the eye-candy more (at least, that's how it works for me). The more obviously fantastical it is the higher chance I'll be able to tolerate without cringing, at least in a mashup video like this that doesn't provide context for the violence happening, so half the time I don't know what's going on.