[ SECRET POST #2722 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2722 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have always found it odd when people think rape is worse than being murdered. Like, a villain can kill a room full of children but it isn't until he rapes someone that people get up in arms

[(Anonymous)]

I can be interested in a villain as a character even if he murders people - most villains do. If he rapes someone I am not longer interested in his character.

[ninety6tears]

I think it's perfectly understandable to have a stronger reaction to rape than to murder (classroom full of children notwithstanding because that seems like an exaggeration, and also who cares about Anakin after that point, LOL). I always feel like it's worse but I don't think that it is. And I have actually known victims of both but I'm not sure how much that carries over into how I view fictional characters.

[sarillia]

For me it depends on how many people are claiming it's not rape. Few people will claim that a murder is not a murder but it happens all the time with rape so when a rape scene happens, I know I'll need to prepare for the arguments and it's depressing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is an interesting comment because you're perfectly right -- if a villain kills a roomful of people, no matter how popular that character is you will rarely see anyone staunchly claiming that no he most certainly did not murder that roomful of people. But make the villain a rapist, especially if the villain is hot and/or popular, and people will be lining up to argue about how it totally wasn't rape at all even if the scene is completely clear about the fact that it was. (Though I think it also doesn't help that so many writers, frustratingly, keep writing their villains raping people without seeming to realize it and so scenes are rarely so clear unless the rape is meant as a deliberate plot point. See also: Regina from OAUT.)

[(Anonymous)]

:/ I dropped the show when I heard she's getting a redemption arc, because I was 100% sure her redemption was not actually going to address the raping she did.

[(Anonymous)]

People are weird about Rape Is A Special Kind Of Evil.

I think it's because we rationalize killing a lot more. We give medals for killing, not so much for rape. We've all thought "I'm so pissed off I could kill someone!" but nobody thinks "I'm so pissed off I could anally violate someone underage!" I was just playing a video game where I must've killed fifty or sixty people, and didn't rape any of them.

And, of course, because it's a Special Kind Of Evil, we always have to make up reasons why a given case couldn't POSSIBLY be rape, because it wasn't evil enough...

[darkmanifest]

This, basically. We can all see ourselves committing a lot of violent crimes for understandable (if not excusable) reasons and relate to characters who do them, we can think up scenarios where deliberate killing is a necessary evil, but it's really hard to apply that to rape.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not much of a choice, really, but if I had to pick being raped or murdered, as gross as it would be, I'd pick rape. Then again, I've never been raped, so I might feel different if I had been.

Then again, maybe not.

[visp]

Not really, if you bother to think about it - it's all in the 'Why' of it. There are reasons why you might need to kill someone. There's never a reason why you need to rape someone. If you have someone who commits murder for the same reasons someone commits rape ('I really felt like it,' 'It made my dick hard,' 'they totally wanted to be murdered, they just were playing hard-to-kill') they're a terrible person on the same level as a rapist.

[(Anonymous)]

Because rape is literally worse than murder, torture, genocide, brainwashing, and any other horrible and evil act you can think of, don't you know? Rape is just, like, the worst!

I hate this mindset. Seriously, rape is horrible, yes, but it shouldn't be put above other atrocious crimes.

This is a show where they show babies being murdered, many people graphically tortured either to death or nearly so but clearly, the rape is the only problematic thing here.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, STFU asshole.

If you grew up in a culture where people contort themselves like crazy to excuse rape--and if you were aware of that insanity--you wouldn't be so shitty and glib and dismissive about rape.

Seriously, just shut up. You sound really smug and dudebroish here.

[(Anonymous)]

How is saying "rape is as terrible as other terrible thing" being glib and dismissive about rape?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because being raped has all the brutality of murder but the victim actually survives, and has to live with the trauma of that for the rest of their life? I think rape is more personal too in a way, in the sense that a lot of killing is done via a weapon/powers/whatever is relavant to the narrative. With rape the villains body is the weapon. Rape is completely perverting an act that is supposed to be fun/pleasurable/special/intimate.

I dunno if I agree with what I'm saying but possibly an answer to your implied question.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because being raped has all the brutality of murder but the victim actually survives, and has to live with the trauma of that for the rest of their life?


MTE. You took the words right out of my mouth but said it a lot more eloquently. +1000

[(Anonymous)]

I think part of it is the stigma attached to being a rape victim. There's no shame in surviving other kinds of violence, no matter how awful, but a villain who uses sexual violence is considered the worst kind mostly because of how society will treat the survivor like a pariah even after the assault is over. They commit them to a type torture that never has to end, whereas at least murder is over and done with.

[(Anonymous)]

If someone kills a room full of children nobody would say things like "Those kids were were playing cops and robbers, they were asking to be shot!"

[(Anonymous)]

MTE