[ SECRET POST #2722 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2722 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.


__________________________________________________



08.


__________________________________________________



09.


__________________________________________________



10.


__________________________________________________



11.


__________________________________________________



12.


__________________________________________________



13.


__________________________________________________



14.


__________________________________________________



15.


__________________________________________________



16.











Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 067 secrets from Secret Submission Post #389.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - spam comment ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

10. http://abload.de/img/cers6hzan.jpeg

[fauxkaren]

I think it was more about the fact that it was OOC for Jaime and people were upset about that.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

As has been pointed out before, it completely Jaime's narrative and storyline. And it does so in a way that the creators don't even seem to realize.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, no. Usually I agree with you, but you are so wrong here. The hardcore fans (aka a small % of people) were muttering that it was OOC, but the majority of the noise was OMG RAPE! IT IS A RAPE SCENE! GRRM HATES THE WOMEN!

[(Anonymous)]

Why though? She also said "no" during the scene in the books and he kept pushing until she gave in.

[(Anonymous)]

inb4 karen defence force

[diet_poison]

for Jaime?

I don't know if I've ever seen her talk about Jamie

[visp]

Christ, it's getting pathetic. Give up your weird stalker fixation with Faux Karen. Seriously, don't you have a tumblr celebrity to hate-stalk or something?

[philstar22]

For me the difference is that the show makes clear that Jaime was attempting to murder Bran and does not justify it. On the other hand, the writers tried to portray what is clearly a rape scene as consensual even though she clearly said no and then ignored it. I'm all for fucked-up when it is clear that it is fucked up, the writers realize it, and it isn't just brushed over and later ignored. Game of Thrones is full of bad things, but in this case it refuses to acknowledge that what Jaime did was rape. And that is what I have a problem with.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was the other way around? That they intended it to be messed-up-consensual but fucked up the writing and filming so it appeared as rape? If so it makes sense that the narrative wouldn't treat it as rape, in S4 at least. Still, it was, and I hope they manage some retcon that makes sense for S5.

[(Anonymous)]

The writers tried to portray a consensual sex scene as a consensual sex scene and they failed big time. That doesn't make it a rape.

[sarillia]

I think it's about framing. We were supposed to think that Jaime was terrible for what he did to Bran. But there was no hint in the narrative that there was any problem with how he went about that scene with Cersei.

[diet_poison]

ia with this

also, I am not in the camp of being adamant that it was an actual rape scene in the books (not sure about the show) - there is room for interpretation imo

[(Anonymous)]

Well, one of the things about Jaime's character in the books is that a rapist is the complete opposite of what he is, seeing as how he despises rape.

I do agree attempted murder of a kid is pretty awful, but he at least understood how fucked up it was. Not to mention karma was a bitch. Not that it erases the crime, but you know what I mean.

[(Anonymous)]

I have always found it odd when people think rape is worse than being murdered. Like, a villain can kill a room full of children but it isn't until he rapes someone that people get up in arms

[(Anonymous)]

I can be interested in a villain as a character even if he murders people - most villains do. If he rapes someone I am not longer interested in his character.

[ninety6tears]

I think it's perfectly understandable to have a stronger reaction to rape than to murder (classroom full of children notwithstanding because that seems like an exaggeration, and also who cares about Anakin after that point, LOL). I always feel like it's worse but I don't think that it is. And I have actually known victims of both but I'm not sure how much that carries over into how I view fictional characters.

[sarillia]

For me it depends on how many people are claiming it's not rape. Few people will claim that a murder is not a murder but it happens all the time with rape so when a rape scene happens, I know I'll need to prepare for the arguments and it's depressing.

[peablossom]

Because it isn't about the act itself, it's about the character. Jaime threw Bran out of the window to protect Cersei and his kids.

Jaime had also been set up on a, not redemption, exactly, but, a path to being a more decent human being. And then all of a sudden rape. It was jarring and bizarre.

[kallanda_lee]

The problem about that sex scene was that, taken out of the contexts of the books and only looking at what's on screen, it was rape (while it wasn't in the books). Yes you can argue they have fucked up dynamic all you want, but i the series she kept saying no until the end.

Then it was basically made worse by the makers claiming it was not rape and refusing the acknowledge they fucked up with that scene.

That, and in Jamie's arc, him raping anyone makes no sense. He lost a hand to prevent rape. It's just completely wrong for the character, whatever else he might be guilty of.

That's why people were upset.

[miku_hatsune]

But the thing is, I doubt anyone who was upset with the rape scene is trying to say Jaime was ever a perfect being that could do no wrong.

Yes, he threw Bran out of the window. But that was also before he went on the little "adventure" with Brienne, stopped her from being raped, + became a little less of a shitty person. It took away from that characterization that was happening with him. Not to mention I'm faiiirly certain the Jaime/Cersei scene is consensual in the book.

[(Anonymous)]

How many rape victims kiss their rapist during the rape?

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who's only seen up to midway through S2, I'm kind of confused. I wasn't understanding where the rape accusations were coming from because I thought the scene was clearly consensual, but then people are talking about S4 and "Jaime's arc" and whatnot, but didn't this scene happen in the first episode? I know from people spoiling me that there's a rape scene with these characters in the current season, but I know the "throwing Bran out a window" thing was in the pilot. Am I missing something or did it happen a second time (which seems kind of crazy)?

[(Anonymous)]

True, Bran will never walk again... but he will ~FLY~ *waggles fingers*

[(Anonymous)]

Probably because attempted child murder is wrong and everyone knows it's wrong. No big controversy. Whereas to this day people will bend over backwards to explain to you that isn't REALLY rape and even if it is, here is reason X/Y/Z as to why it wasn't really that bad. Which enrages a lot of us.