[ SECRET POST #2722 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2722 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

For me the difference is that the show makes clear that Jaime was attempting to murder Bran and does not justify it. On the other hand, the writers tried to portray what is clearly a rape scene as consensual even though she clearly said no and then ignored it. I'm all for fucked-up when it is clear that it is fucked up, the writers realize it, and it isn't just brushed over and later ignored. Game of Thrones is full of bad things, but in this case it refuses to acknowledge that what Jaime did was rape. And that is what I have a problem with.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was the other way around? That they intended it to be messed-up-consensual but fucked up the writing and filming so it appeared as rape? If so it makes sense that the narrative wouldn't treat it as rape, in S4 at least. Still, it was, and I hope they manage some retcon that makes sense for S5.

[philstar22]

I think it honestly didn't occur to them that if she said no and he did it anyway it was rape. Which is all kinds of scary, frankly. The narrative didn't treat it as rape because the writers didn't see it as rape. But yes, it was rape.

[(Anonymous)]

The writers tried to portray a consensual sex scene as a consensual sex scene and they failed big time. That doesn't make it a rape.

[philstar22]

She said no. She kept saying no. She never said yes. It doesn't matter what the writers intended. What we got on the show was rape. In the books, it is consensual. But the scene on the show is rape.

[(Anonymous)]

My understanding is that she's meant to be also initiating the sex even while she's saying no. Her actions, if properly conveyed, would seem to speak a louder "yes" then her words.

[philstar22]

Really? I didn't get that at all. She's clearly pushing him away. She's enjoying it because it is Jaime and she enjoys being with him, and she does kiss him back, but she never wants to have the sex.

[(Anonymous)]

It is then... still rape. Maybe not by Westeros standards, but then again, what's rape by Westeros standards?

[(Anonymous)]

Why do people who see a scene as rape always use "we"?