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I am so sorry you had to put up with that. *hugs if wanted*

*hugs*

The worst part is that I hate self-pity. Hate, hate, HATE it. And yet here I am indulging. I don't know why I don't just get over it -- say "Fuck them, who cares what they think?" -- but I can't. It's not a big deal. It REALLY isn't. And yet here I am.

And I don't deny that some horrifically racist and misogynistic bullshit hasn't been spewed (like the "strong black women don't need no man" or calling female characters "bitches" and "sluts"). I just don't understand why everyone must be tarred to the same brush -- why ANY criticism is equated to that type of awfulness.

Maybe it makes me mad because I feel like they're USING the words "racist" and "misogynist" to censor anyone who disagrees with them. And I can't help but find that reprehensible and it just feels like they're trivializing major issues for the sake of a pairing, of all things.

Yeah

Sometimes I feel like they're devaluing the word "oppression" to mean "anything that makes them upset"

They're also devaluing terms like 'misogynist' and 'racist' by throwing them around like that.

Did someone write this specifically about you?

I see a lot (relatively speaking) of Spirk shippers saying this, feeling really put upon, but I don't see it going on.

Where is this happening? Is this a tumblr thing?

The Spirk pairing is huge in the fandom and some of the fans are brats, but I don't see someone calling out the brats as a statement about all Spirk shippers.
It is a long-standing ship which predates the reboot canon pairing, so it couldn't reasonably be filled solely with racists and misogynists. If this was just a general statement about members of your ship, it probably isn't about you. It just doesn't make sense for those kinds of statements to apply to ALL K/S shippers.

If those statements were made about you specifically, I would take a second look at what I've written without taking my views outside of fandom into account. Still not seeing misogyny or racism? Let it go then.

Some people are misguided and some people are just assholes.

Making posts about why Uhura and Spock don't work, and how useless she is and how they have no chemistry, how the storyline isn't well-written is not how you ship and how she's anti-feminist regardless what the POC women are saying. I mean it's almost always Uhura who gets trashed in these little metas.

+ My pairing because they work
+ My pairing because they have chemistry
+ My pairing because they have so much potential in the canon, etc. and whatever

If people stayed with "+" ing their ship rather than tearing down an important character to some of fandom, people would spend less time side-eyeing this side of fandom, which is were it always originates.

How is saying that Uhura and Spock don't work (not in general mind you, but as specifically WRITTEN in the reboot) in any way problematic, though? I say this because one post I got attacked for didn't even MENTION Uhura. I never said her name -- not once. I didn't tag her or Spuhura in the post. Instead, the entire post way dissecting why the romance doesn't work (for me) as written in the reboots because of Spock's characterization -- how he was unlikeable in the 2009 film and how that film didn't at all address how he got over his emotional hangups to date ANYONE. Not Uhura in particular.

I made that post because I got really upset at the reboot writers for something they said. I honestly don't think they understand the characters that well. What set me off was when one of the writers compared Kirk to President Bush. So I wrote a piece on Kirk. And then a piece on Spock because I have issues with him as well.

And what Spuhura fans took out of it was that I was saying that Spock/Uhura was implausible when that WASN'T what I was saying at all. What I was saying was that Spock and Uhura would theoretically make a great couple. But the romance is so underwritten and Spock's issues are completely unaddressed that it comes off as poorly written and unbelievable AS PRESENTED IN THE FILM. If they'd fleshed the couple out and maybe waited until the second film (establishing a close friendship in the first), then I think it would have worked really well.

For the record, I couldn't even start shipping Kirk and Spock (in the reboot) until I saw Into Darkness. So it's not Uhura I have a problem with.

It's the fact that there's no S/U "love story." We don't get to see how they fall in love, what drew them together, and (most importantly) how Spock got over his emotional repression. With Kirk and Spock, I felt like we at least got that -- in the 2009 film, we see how they meet and come to respect one another. Then in Into Darkness, we see how Kirk's trying to reach out to Spock and how they've come to rely on and love (platonically or romantically depending on if you ship them or not) one another.

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