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[ SECRET POST #2724 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2724 ⌋

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16. http://i.imgur.com/hdmy3eC.png

it's fine to be bitter and disappointed about it

but the show and its creators have done nothing wrong here and it's only a matter of your expectations, not of anything they've done wrong. it's not like you have some kind of a right to have Tina be autistic - to have this specific character, in this specific narrative, have that specific trait.

I...don't think they did it on purpose just to piss you off, OP. And I also think that there's nothing wrong with showing that someone can be strange and quirky without having a neurological, rather than simply personality-related, reason for it. I actually kind of side-eye people who try to diagnose characters who are even a little bit non-typical in their behavior as being on the spectrum, because I feel like it's contributing to stereotypes.

yeah.

Okay, people seem to be misunderstanding what I meant. I'm not butthurt that she's not autistic. I'm butthurt that the show called her autistic before revealing that lol, it was a joke, she's not autistic, that would be silly!

didn't fucking louise joke that tina was kind of autistic? it'd be different if bob or linda said it.

Yeah seriously, Louise is a sarcastic little shit most of the time.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-06-19 02:25 (UTC) - Expand

The first episode was weird and off-model in a lot of ways, as pilots often are. They might have been planning for her to really be autistic at that point and dropped the idea.

lol boo-hoo for you

Yes because it's a damn shame that a show has a funny, quirky, awkward female character without there being something wrong with her.

I don't think of being autistic as having something wrong with you. That's kind of hurtful to me, actually.

I'm autistic, too, and my response to that is this: if you think being autistic is the same as 'having something wrong with you', then you need to either meet more autistic people or get your head out of your own ass. Or both.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-06-19 23:54 (UTC) - Expand

It's a damn shame when I identify with a funny, quirky, awkward female character, scroll down to the comments section of a secret, and see it implied that there's something wrong with me.

Hi. I'm autistic, it's the way my brain is, and while it comes with struggles, I resent being told that there's something 'wrong' with me because of it.

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Being autistic does not mean there's something wrong with that person.

Fuck you for thinking that.

Wouldn't that be kind of a bad thing, though? Since Tina is often the butt of many jokes. ~~Butt.~~

OP, I still think Tina is autistic. She reminds me too much of myself, how I think/act, and of other autistic women I know and their experiences at that age. When I was a couple years younger than Tina, someone suggested autism to my mother as being what was 'wrong' with me, and she dismissed the diagnosis out of hand because at the time, the only view of autism she had was the severe, largely nonverbal, frequently co-morbid with cognitive disabilities kind. I wasn't diagnosed until YEARS later, and most mental health professionals during my childhood and teen years did not think of autism (and I saw a LOT of them). So... /shrug

nothing wrong with interpreting tina as autistic, but she's not. bob's burgers does a better job with character development than most shows, i just really don't think the writers ever intended tina's character to be autistic. despite being a decently written family sitcom, it's still rather silly and not meant to be picked apart the way you just did tina's character.

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If she was autistic then everyone would complain about how the show got it wrong.

Yeah, this. "HDU depict an autistic girl as nerdy and socially awkward, that's stereotyping!" "HDU depict an autistic girl voice-acted by a male, that's just implying autistic girls aren't 'real' women!"

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(Anonymous) - 2014-06-19 04:39 (UTC) - Expand

You do realize that most times a character in a cartoon is called autistic, it's meant as an insult, right?

Ambiguously autistic characters are common in media. Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory, the various modern Sherlock Holmses, Abed from Community*. The writers get to make jokes at the expense of autistic people, but still go "nuh-uh, he's not autistic, we're just laughing at the weirdo." So yeah. This is an issue. If they ever confirmed anyone as autistic, they'd have to respect us and we can't have that.
*Abed was treated ok by the writing if I remember right, but I don't think they ever called him autistic.

Sheldon from Big Bang is a common character type often found in traditional, multi-camera sitcoms that existed before most people knew that autistic people could be verbal. It is strange that people get butthurt over him when he's a fucking character in a basic-ass Chuck Lorre sitcom of all things.

Fuck, for all the hollering about SJWs being pandered to, a lot of sitcoms still make racist and sexist jokes. Why in the world would they be sensitive about whether their standard sitcom weirdo is ~offensive~ to autistic people?

I sort of felt the same way as OP in the ep where it was speculated that House might have Asperger's and then it was very quickly dismissed. I have Asperger's and I do identify with him.

You assume they know enough about autism to even be thinking about it when they create those characters. But they're not out to sneak in purposeful implications of autism that they will then purposefully deny by not saying the word "autistic." They don't know or care as much as you do, they're just trying to make characters people will find funny.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-06-20 15:55 (UTC) - Expand

Two things that might be of interest in Abed's case:

--The line from the song "Christmas Infiltration" during the Christmas episode in season 3 where Abed raps, "On the spectrum? None of your business."

--Dan Harmon was diagnosed with a form of Asperger's while writing Community.

Abed has a lot of times where he talks about the experiences that "people like him" go through (his enormous fear of being abandoned/locked up in lockers/handcuffs), but he's never said the words "autism" or "Asperger's."

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