[ SECRET POST #2724 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2724 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 035 secrets from Secret Submission Post #389.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

From what I understand of Norse/Viking culture, and presuming Marvel's Asgardians echo it somewhat, this isn't actually wrong? As far as I can tell, homosexuality in the sense of having a sexual relationship with another man was fine, it was just specific sexual acts (mostly, being penetrated, I think?) that aren't. It was called 'argr'/unmanly/cowardly.

And this is Loki, who in mythology is/would have been argr anyway from a combination of seidr/using magic, occasionally taking female forms, having been penetrated by Svadilfari that time, and having given birth to a child. None of which appeared to slow him down at all, and in the Lokasenna he basically has a running verbal bitchfight with the entire Norse pantheon based on who did what with who when, basically taking the standpoint that in a pantheon full of incest, adultery, seidr, cowardice, stupidity and betrayal, he wasn't going to take anyone's shit for his own practices. He only gives in when Thor arrives and threatens to literally take his head off if he doesn't shut up. While most of Loki's relationships/liasons in mythology were with women, he doesn't appear too bothered about being accused of otherwise.

Which is not to say that Marvel's Loki is the same, but if they're picking someone from the mythology to be a little bit bent, Loki isn't exactly the most unlikely choice they could have gone for.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, all of this. Of all the pre-existing characters that could be turned gay/bi/whateversexual (sometimes against the wishes of their original creators), Loki really is the most obvious and fitting.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, you mean Loki = mpreg IN CANON?

*swoons*

[(Anonymous)]

Well, sort of. He had taken the form of a female horse/mare in heat at the time, for the purposes of luring a giant's horse away from a wall (on pain of death by Odin), and lost control of the encounter somewhat. He came back pregnant, gave birth to an eight-legged horse named Sleipnir sometime later, and then appeared to go about his business as usual henceforth.

So, yes. Canonical bestiality, genderbend and mpreg, all in one encounter. I'm not entirely sure if that was what Odin had in mind when he told Loki to fix things or else ...

[siofrabunnies]

There was also the time he ate his wife's heart and gave birth to twins/ogres/you know how myths go.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd forgotten that. But yes. This is the mythology with a boat made of dead toenails and a god made of spit. Male pregnancy is the least anyone's worried about.

[iceyred]

The Viking sagas were the original kink memes.

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno if it's Viking myths in particular. There is that Egyptian myth with Osiris being murdered, resurrected by his sister/wife, getting her pregnant, being cut into pieces, and having his penis eaten by a fish.

[iceyred]

That sounds less like a kink meme and more like somebody just got high and wrote their revenge fantasies about their brother (wasn't Osiris murdered by his brother?).

[nyxelestia]

It gets even better when you compare original legends to how they are translated.

i.e. I can't remember which one, but there's an Egyptian (or was it Mesopatamian?) creation myth that's commonly thought of as the original god crying the world into existence. Except he didn't, the original translator from however many decades/centuries ago just didn't want to write what actually happened, and histor books today didn't like to include it if they could help it. Why? The god masturbated the world into existence - his semen became the earth. Not nearly as "educational" as crying the world into existence.

Shit like that happens a lot, actually.

[(Anonymous)]

There's also the Egyptian myth where Set tries to seduce and inseminate Horus to prove his dominance over him, but Horus catches his semen in his hand and throws it in the river instead, and then smears some of his own semen on some lettuce and tricks Set into eating it, so that when the other gods cast a semen revealing spell to see which is truly dominant, it's Set's stomach that answers. I am not kidding. This is a thing that happened in Egyptian mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Contendings_of_Horus_and_Seth).

So not just Viking myths, no, though they're the relevant ones for this secret. Pretty much every mythology I've ever come across has included wacky sexual hijinks and/or people being created from whatever weird shit was drifting through creation at the time. Also murder, usually at the same time as the other stuff. A cross between a kink meme and a soap opera.

[(Anonymous)]

Myth-canon,in a way (It wasn't m-preg, he turned into a female horse, so no male there in the physical form). Comic canon... not sure? Depends on the author, I think. Definitely not canon in the MCU.

[phyllomania]

Sleipnir exists in MCU so...you never know? :)

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, it's possible, but one can never automatically assume that just because something from the comics (or from myths that inspired the original comic stories) exists in the MCU, that it means the origin is the same. The MCU has gone out of its way to change origin stories and other major events/characters/etc. to distinguish itself as its own independent universe.

[(Anonymous)]

"As far as I can tell, homosexuality in the sense of having a sexual relationship with another man was fine, it was just specific sexual acts (mostly, being penetrated, I think?) that aren't. "

Do you have sources for this? I'm honestly not trying to call you out, but my own understanding of Norse mythology/culture is that there's very little to suggest anything about their thoughts on homosexuality. Of course, for men, being "womanly" was bad (hence Loki's insult to Odin) and I'd suppose this would hold true for the act of homosexuality, but even as I've looked I haven't found anything about Norse gay relationships/attitudes.

[(Anonymous)]

To hand, I've just got the Wikipedia article on ergi/argr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergi), which relates to the insult of 'unmanly' and how it apparently acquired a connotation for the passive/penetrated partner during sex (as well as those who practice magic), but this being Wikipedia I can't speak for the veracity of it. They're referencing a historian named Greenberg, who in turn appears to be referencing several incidents in the Gudmundr Saga, but I haven't read that to check.

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/gayvik.asp