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⌈ Secret Post #2736 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Ah, this argument, always

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, the old 'wasn't good enough" standard. It bugs me because it also ignores the idea of baby steps. Was Frozen perfect? No. Would it have been nice if it involved women of color instead of the usual white princesses? Sure. But don't shit on the good things it did do and the positivity people derive from it (I remember seeing a post on Tumblr titled 'why Frozen isn't a feminist movie' and I was just like 'fuck that shit, women identified with it, it was about women, stop shitting on it because it apparently didn't involve the right female characters acting in ways you deem feminist').

Also every time I see people complain about how we need more representation and such, and then I see them making posts about how Frozen and Brave didn't deserve their Oscars I find myself thinking 'Don't you think it says something that the only two movies you specifically call out as not 'deserving' Oscars just so happen to be the two that focused mainly on the female characters?' (And I say this as someone who would not, in fact, have given the Oscars to Brave or Frozen, but I could say the same about several other animated film Oscars as well. It's that those are the only two that get called out that bugs me. Like we must always have higher standards for female-centric movies and immediately look down on the ones that don't meet those standards, and never celebrate the things they do right, but give all male-centered movies a pass.)

Re: Ah, this argument, always

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Don't you think it says something that the only two movies you specifically call out as not 'deserving' Oscars just so happen to be the two that focused mainly on the female characters?'

Hoooly shit, this so much. It's specially ridiculous because Frozen came around the time the second Hobbit movie was popular (I think they were both released in November?) and NO ONE said ANYTHING about how the Hobbit was a sausage fest, or critiqued its writing as much as they did Frozen. And that's really telling, imo, of how bandwagon-ish the whole thing is.

It's not that I think Frozen or others can't be criticized, but I do feel it comes to a point where people just find it easier to repeat what's already been said, and it stops being productive-- especially when you want it to be perfect right off the bat. This things take a long time, yeah.

Re: Ah, this argument, always

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

If you're in the right places, the observation that The Hobbit is a sausage-fest does come up, but then so does criticism of a lack of POC in major roles, and criticism of Tauriel for being an OC put in for either eye-candy or Warrior Chick Mary Sue.

Add onto that the general "They change it, now it sucks!" comments and maybe the sausage-fest complaints get lost.