[ SECRET POST #2736 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2736 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: spoiler for the last book/movie, though I feel like everyone knows this by now

[elaminator]

Oops?

Not sure what I'm supposed to say to this...

Even if that was Tolkien's intention, Thorin was still an enjoyable character to me. Not saying he was the most likable character, but I found him interesting. Even if his death scene was more about a message than, well, him, it still moved me in a massive way, and I'll always associate positive feelings towards his character because of it.

His story is tragic and unfortunate and I think most people could learn from his greed, and so even if people don't like him, well...I wouldn't say he's as unlikable as possible. He's a flawed character for sure, but people are flawed too, and that's partially why we connect with characters.

Re: spoiler for the last book/movie, though I feel like everyone knows this by now

[(Anonymous)]

When authors make characters devices for some message or cautionary tales that's not interesting. Maybe it works for kids' books but the flaws aren't even interesting in the way that actually good flawed characters are. If you look at it from the technical perspective you'd know you're not supposed to give a shit about him beyond him and other characters being used to flesh out Bilbo.

Re: spoiler for the last book/movie, though I feel like everyone knows this by now

[elaminator]

Again, I'm not sure what you want me to say about this.

I realize that the book isn't perfect (the majority of the characters weren't interesting enough for that) but even if I was to acknowledge, "Welp, I'm not supposed to care about these characters" that isn't going to make me stop caring about said characters.

I fail at reading, I suppose. (And am okay with this.)

Re: spoiler for the last book/movie, though I feel like everyone knows this by now

[(Anonymous)]

And you know this for certain because... you're, what, telepathically linked to Tolkien from beyond the grave and know with certainty he believes we're all scrubs for daring to sympathize with his literary devices? I could make the same technical argument and say that Tolkien did mean for us to sympathize with Thorin but couldn't manage it because he was bad at writing nuanced characters. Hey who knows?

Re: spoiler for the last book/movie, though I feel like everyone knows this by now

[arcadiaego]

I think Tolkien is very good at showing that all sorts of people can be corrupted by greed for money or power, and not just 'evil' ones while the good ones escape. The difference is that the 'good' ones happen to have other qualities that help them overcome it, but the ones who do succumb have factors that have led them down that road as well.