[ SECRET POST #2737 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2737 ⌋

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Comments

[truxillogical]

Nah, I follow.

I mean, I really like Kili/Tauriel because it hits a lot of my happy points. But at the same time, Kili/Tauriel is basically pleasant-but-fattening self-indulgence, and if I think about it too sincerely, it jars with how much I loved Legolas and Gimli, not so much as a ship, but just for how important and new their friendship was.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

There are so many things I fear about the third movie, like Jackson explaining the fall of the Dwarves with some magical handwavium about the Arkenstone as a Silmaril turned Lovecraftian temptation, when no, Dwarves are, in Bilbo's view, naturally stiffed necked and grudge-holding when it involves the products of their own culture and hard work.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

If he did something like that, my Silmaril muse would be pissed off.

[(Anonymous)]

That's one I don't mind because...well, there's some fantastical racism at work there. Which, I know Tolkien was just kinda doing old school epic poetry "all ___ are like ____" sort of thing.

It works in prose, because it still feels a bit like an old epic. But seeing it played out with breathing, living people, it doesn't work so well--you just wind up hating them, if it's all about pride and greed.

I know Tolkien didn't mean to make it come off this way, but hindsight and critical reading and stories not existing in a vacuum and all that--I think they're trying to avoid the inevitable awkward parallels to antisemitism that show up with making the dwarves short, bearded wanderers with no home of their own who are also stiff-necked and greedy (I imagine if Tolkien HAD allowed Nazi Germany rights to his story, that part would have gotten played up horrifyingly).

[cbrachyrhynchos]

That's one I don't mind because...well, there's some fantastical racism at work there. Which, I know Tolkien was just kinda doing old school epic poetry "all ___ are like ____" sort of thing.

I don't see it that way because I don't see archetypalism in fantasy narratives as inherently about race, but about exaggerating certain human failings. Thorin's attempt to put his clan first in any consideration of how to rebuild is a tragic flaw with prior art going back to the roots of western literature. It's a tragedy that plays its self out repeatedly in real life. It can just as easily apply to, say, controversies over the content of the 9/11 museum/memorial. If there's any political parallel to be found in the conflict at the end of the novel, it's likely to European nationalism leading into WWII.

If anything, Walsh/Boyens have been playing up the diaspora narrative to a much greater degree than Tolkien writing as Bilbo. Pushing Thorin's emotional and moral choices onto a case of crazy by supernatural compulsion significantly undermines the moral that we need to put those historical grudges to the side for a greater good.