[ SECRET POST #2737 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2737 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[kallanda_lee]

Wait, what? That doesn't even make sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I understand what OP is saying. A huge part of Legolas and Gimli's friendship is that it's a major milestone in Dwarf/Elf relations, a point where years of hostility and conflict culminates in two very different people forging a deep and lasting friendship. Through his companionship with Legolas and the quality of his character, Gimli's a very significant character: Galadriel gifts him with three of her golden hairs, and Gimli was the first Dwarf to go to the Undying Lands.

Meanwhile, the whole Kili/Tauriel thing is an invention by Peter Jackson for reasons. It's cute, but it does tend to undermine the significance of Legolas and Gimli's friendship.

[comradesmiler]

They're back.

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of agree with this, though I actually found Kili/Tauriel kind of sweet in the movie. Mind you, I'm fairly sure Gimli is still the first dwarf to sail into the West with his elf, so there's that.

My major problem with the Kili/Tauriel plotline was that, in injuring Kili so that Tauriel could show up and heal him, the movies have now put Kili, Fili, Bofur and Oin in Laketown while the others are at the mountain. I know the movies have massively diverged from the book by now, but I've no idea how they're going to manage that when it comes to the Negotiations at the Gate or the Battle of Five Armies, considering that it means Bard will in all likelihood have hostages against the treasure. I mean, I could see that being milked for maximum Thorin angst in the throes of gold fever, but it's going to do funny things to Bilbo's choice with the Arkenstone if that's the route they take.

Which is no nevermind, maybe, but it's the reason the inserted Tauriel plotline bugs me. Tauriel herself is kind of awesome, and her and Kili are kind of cute, but ... plotholes and/or plot changes. They make me twitchy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I like Tauriel a lot, but I'm not really down with weird plot changes. Jackson doesn't have the best track record with decisions to fuck around with the plot.

[elaminator]

I'm fairly sure Gimli is still the first dwarf to sail into the West with his elf

I aww'd. Also agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole Kili injured plot line annoyed the crap out of me, but my friend pointed out that as a whole we don't really spend enough time in Laketown to really empathize with the characters so by leaving Kili, Fili, and ... I think Bofur? behind you suddenly care a crap ton more about Smaug being all "I am fire, I am DEATH" and flying off to obviously fuck shit up in Laketown. I still think it's poor writing and is going to cause all sorts of weirdness in the next movie since suddenly you have a slew of hardcore archers in Laketown to take down Smaug as opposed to just Bard.

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard the theory that the four dwarves are left in Laketown to replace the talking ravens. They'll get to the mountain to tell Thorin about the approaching human and Elven armies. If that's the case, then they won't be hostages. I think I've heard some stuff from the actors and behind-the-scenes footage that suggests Kili and Thorin definitely have some time to reconnect so it's possible that they might manage to get back into some alignment with the book later on.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, it would be a massive change from the book, but you could even have Bilbo handing over the Arkenstone to Bard in exchange for Fili, Kili, and the others. Then instead of "I gave Bard your thingy so he could trade it for gold because you're being a dick," it would be "I gave Bard your thingy so that he could trade it for gold because you're being a dick, but only if he agreed to let the others go back to the mountain with me, because they're more important. You dick."

[(Anonymous)]

...Damn.

I only got to see it this way now that you've mentioned it.

Well, fuck, that's shit then. They totally ruined LOTR's gradual progress of affection in like what, 5 secs long worth of eye contact.

Eat shiiiiiiiit.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, tbh. That, and Tauriel is boring and her interactions with almost any other character are obnoxious. So much disappointment.

[(Anonymous)]

But the googly eyes aren't mutual? Kili is like "Wow you're weirdly pretty for having no beard and the way you kill things is super hot" and Tauriel is like "Tell me of things outside Mirkwood, oddly un-repulsive shortass". The thing about Legolas and Gimli is that their friendship is its own thing; they could and did still carry out their mission even if they were at odds. The friendship(?) between Kili and Tauriel is just one aspect of like a greater thing and I'm not explaining it well but gosh darn it I think this secret is silly.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see why people think it's cute but I thought the writing of the Kili/Tauriel romance was cringeworthy.

And if they die in each other's arms in the third movie I'll flip tbh.

No more than an age and a half

[(Anonymous)]

Celebrimbor totally had dwarf friends.

[(Anonymous)]

I just dislike it because it was a pointless addition to the story, much like the vast majority of the second film...

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Tauriel *so much*! Why on earth did they have to saddle her with two romantic relationships, neither of which she seems particularly interested in? She had enough character development related to refusing to leave the dwarves to die and wanting to defend the outside world as well as Thranduil's kingdom. That's a great character arc for a wood elf!

[truxillogical]

Nah, I follow.

I mean, I really like Kili/Tauriel because it hits a lot of my happy points. But at the same time, Kili/Tauriel is basically pleasant-but-fattening self-indulgence, and if I think about it too sincerely, it jars with how much I loved Legolas and Gimli, not so much as a ship, but just for how important and new their friendship was.

[(Anonymous)]

are you me? I've been thinking the same thing

[(Anonymous)]

If it cheapens the relationship of Legolas and Gimli for you, well that's your problem.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Well I have never really seen what is so great about the Legolas/Gimli friendship anyway, and really, Orlando Bloom didn't make it any more appealing to me, but still, I do see what you mean.

My objection to them is on a far my person, and subjective level, as I simply don't like them for shipping reasons. I'd rather imagine Kíli with someone else, someone not elven for that matter. But it's because I went in to the cinema with that attitude that I can ignore what was in DoS of them. I do worry about the level of deniability of them in the third movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes OP, this is my problem with the Tauriel/Kili relationship too.

[(Anonymous)]

"Weh weh boobs getting in the way of the super specialness of my slash couple weh"

[(Anonymous)]

Are you me OP?

I didn't really dig this ship, I felt it was kind of forced and I found the entire "healing Kili" scene to be utterly cringe-worthy and groan inducing (I was the girl in the cinema going "oh come on!"). That aside I probably would have been ok with the ship if not for exactly what you're pointing out. To me it lessens the impact of Legolas and Gimli's relationship. Its one of my favourite things about the trilogy and for me Kili/Tauriel just kind of makes Legolas and Gimli's friendship not as profound and "groundbreaking" for lack of a better word. It gives the impression that dwarf/elf relationships (either platonic or otherwise) are more commonplace and therefore makes Gimli and Legolas deep, beautiful friendship seem less unusual and lovely.

It was my main gripe against this ship, I could have put up with the melodrama if not for this aspect. Well that and the fact that Tauriel just feels like she has been introduced to serve as 'the love interest'.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel you so much, OP.
I hate, hate, HATE Tauriel as a character (that creature is a violation of 90% Tolkien canon), and I seriously don't like what the movie did to Kíli (I'll be the one cheering when he finally bites it) and their relationship is just horrible, mostly because of what you already said.

When it all gets too much, remember this: Tauriel amounts to NOTHING! No matter what her alleged 'influence' is supposed to be on Legolas, by the time the Lord of the Rings rolls around, Legolas will have forgotten her completely. She will never be mentioned, never even be hinted at.
Inb4, 'you can say that about all the characters!' - maybe so. But remember, the producers and Lily herself have talked about how Tauriel's story sets up LotR. And she doesn't!!! She is non-existent by the time of Fellowship, she is gone right were she belongs: oblivion! She who is supposed to be so important to Legolas that she shapes his opinion of dwarves, will have vanished into the aether, never to be mentioned again, least of all by Legolas.

That's what I remind myself of whenever I feel like screaming at the horridness of this character: she is nothing.