[ SECRET POST #2739 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2739 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

My problems was the fact that the reboot has absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the values, themes, dreams, in-universe sociology and politics and culture, goals, and ideals and aspirations about morality, society, humanity, and cultural curiosity, expansiveness, and diversity the original series championed
Fucking agreed, you said it perfectly. TOS was all about things like idealism, humanity's potential, and making insightful commentary on society and people.

It also doesn't help that the AOS cast has like 1% of the charisma of the TOS crew.

[skippydelicious]

I blame Chris Pine for that. Or more correctly I blame whoever cast him. Kirk is central to making it work, and say what you like about Shatner but he had screen presence. Pine just doesn't. Its even worse when you stick him in between Quinto and Urban, both of whom easily dominate scenes with their own screen presence, and it all makes for a gaping hole in the middle of the movie. Quinto and Urban (and also Pegg, when he is there) completely steamroller him. I know that it isn't fair to say he is just a pretty boy (in fact that was part of the reason Shatner got hired back in the TOS days), but Kirk should at least be a pretty boy with some sort of screen presence who doesn't get wiped out by his co-stars whenever they are on screen with him, and it certainly shouldn't be the case that his co-stars are so much more charismatic that their stories are far more interesting than his. I wish they'd recast Kirk (and Nu-hura while we are at it, there is another character with a case of the blands - that could just be the misogynistic direction of course).

[(Anonymous)]

I'll be honest, I prefer Pine's Kirk to Quinto's Spock. Quinto just always looks so constantly ANGRY as Spock. He just generally seems to be in a terrible mood or on the edge of a psychotic break. Pine's Kirk, at least, is okay (when he's not interacting with women…). But Nimoy just leant such a calmness and tranquility to Spock that Quinto just doesn't convey. Whether that's the writing, direction, or acting is debatable. I think it's the writing personally.

[zelda_dragon]

I agree with you completely.

[skippydelicious]

I'd agree Older-Nimoy from TWoK had a sort of air of serenity, but Young-Spock from the series was a pretty intense dude (except that one time on Sigma Draconis VI, but we don't talk about that).

[(Anonymous)]

He had intensity, but it was restrained. He was more focused and poised. Whereas I feel like Quinto's Spock could start raging any minute. Nimoy's Spock definitely had a fire and presence to him. But Quinto's Spock is like a ticking time bomb or an explosive. Handle with care…

[(Anonymous)]

No, I think I agree with the others. While series Spock could be incredibly intense, especially when it came to his loyalties (witness him hijacking the Enterprise to help Pike), he also had a much milder, more curious air about him. The scientist thing, maybe, he just found so many things fascinating and strange, and poked fun at them in that incredibly dry, sarcastic way of his. When his emotions broke, they broke bad, but outside of those moments he did have an air of mildly sardonic peace about him.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus, Quinto!Spock is also younger (I think?) and has a different set of experiences than Nimoy!Spock. Nimoy!Spock never witnessed the destruction of Vulcan or the death of his mother. Well, not until he was pulled into the reboot world...

[(Anonymous)]

Quinto Spock seemed angry and on edge even before they blew up Vulcan.

[(Anonymous)]

Hence the whole "he's younger" aspect...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about Pine, I thought his acting was fine, but his character, Nu!Kirk is terrible.

He's a brat and a bully in the first movie and he didn't actually earn his position. TOS!Kirk on the other hand worked his way up. While he cheated on 'the test', we know he earned his position through hard work.

Nu!Kirk just got the position because he needed to have it at the end.

After being on academic suspension, stowing away on the flagship, mutiny and completely disrespecting and pushing Captain Spock (more mutiny), he's captain? Why isn't Spock captain? Didn't he do more towards that final victory than Kirk? Couldn't Kirk have acted as XO and advised Spock?

It was poorly done, and it makes the character, and the universe they live in, kind of ridiculous.