[ SECRET POST #2739 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2739 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

You know what? I can watch TNG and DS9 and Voyager for my intelligent, introspective looks at the Star Trek universe. TOS might have set it all up, but the later series were the ones that really teased out the interesting implications and dealt with interesting social situations.

Instead, I watch TOS and AOS for hilarious 60s anachronisms in the future, Bones sassing everyone out, Uhura doing fan dances, nuclear wessels, Scotty defying the laws of physics as a regular part of his job, George Takei/ John Cho doing their thang and, most of all, the epic love story of Kirk and Spock across space and time. No regrets.

[intrigueing]

That's okay. Just some people have different views than you.

It's more of a subliminal thing with me to be honest -- the stuff I mention is not normally what I focus on at all, but when it's missing, it sucks all the joy and compellingness out of the stuff you mention.

In fact, I almost thank the reboot for making me realize just how much important under-the-radar stuff I subconsciously loved about TOS that I never really focused on before, by throwing that stuff into sharp relief with its absence.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Hey, I get you on that. I do love the sci-fi/utopia hypotheticals of all the shows. That's one of the reasons why I like them. But I like the movies for different reasons. I think TV is a better medium than a movie to explore that kind of stuff, whereas I think movies are better at doing an action-adventure with a gut-wrenching emotional arc. Not that there aren't good examples of both of these in either medium, but with Trek especially I think there is a delineation between the purpose of the movies and the show.

The movies, to me, are about adventure, and especially with the TOS movies about the reunion of this group of coworkers-turned-friends-turned-family for one last go on the merry-ground (or, you know, a few last gos). Also, tying up some loose ends from the show (or creating loose ends to be tied up). But not, you know, about looking in-depth into hypotheticals further than 'what would happen if we went back in time and saved alien whales in San Francisco'.

And I think the reboot worked on the level that it rebooted the franchise, created a fun new take on the characters we love, and also did flow on from the TOS canon - Spock Prime being the catalyst for the whole movie's plot, for one. And nods to the show like Pike being a major character and the whole Kobayashi Maru thing.

I think it works for the same reasons Wrath of Khan works so well as a movie (First Contact, too) - they each take familiar elements from the show which the fans were emotionally invested in and hang a well-written, supremely paced action movie over the top. ST:ID on the other hand, doesn't work because the reboot audience had no emotional connection with Khan's storyline. And, you know, they botched it all up on about every level they could.

We will probably continue to agree to disagree about this, but there is one last point I wanted to mention: the reboot, as a film, had to work on several levels: it had to cater to the original fans of the series, but it also had to create a new and exciting take on it that hadn't been covered in the 4 multiple season long TV shows that had followed in TOS's wake. And on top of all that it also had to appeal to audiences that were completely new to Trek.

I think it was inevitable that it was going to drop the ball on one of these levels, and I also think it just didn't physically have time to include all the background world-building that exists in the other Trek movies because they work on the understanding that their audiences are also fans of the TV shows and therefore understand what is going on in this fictional world.

And, considering all that it had to balance, I think the reboot did a pretty good job. Not perfect, but not bad at all.

[intrigueing]

I do agree that if you're able to appreciate the film for what it is, well, that's only a good thing, IMO. Personally, however, I do think there's a difference between the previous movies and the reboot movies, though, because the previous movies took place in the same universe as the rest of Trek, so even if they didn't showcase a lot of the ideas of the series, for fans at least, it was still kind of implied (well, mostly. *cough* Nemesis *cough*). But I think there's a bigger burden on the reboot to show those things, because it's an alternate timeline.