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In that scene she had tactical information that the other guy didn't have. Anyone who had that could have been asked to step in. From the ship's janitor on up. She just spoke the right language, that is all. And class performance reviews are not the be all and end all of suitability for roles. If she truly believed that she was in the right, and was truly suitable and being done down by Spock then she would have gone to his superior and appealed it (and good luck). The only reason she went to Spock was that she was dating him, and the only reason Spock gave in was he was dating her. That means the only reason for her being on the Enterprise is she was sleeping with Spock, and however you want to slice it that is not a positive thing for a female black character.

Except that one's language skills are a pretty big part of being a communications officer -- it is absolutely relevant to her job and we see this again in in STID when she speaks Klingon. Also, given the situation, I doubt there time for her to go to a superior and appeal it. She found Spock because he could easily change it and he SHOULD change it given that she earned a post and he's letting the fact that she's his girlfriend get in the way.

The only reason Spock assigned her to the Farragut in the first place is because he was dating her (he says as much with his favoritism line). And that's why she's justified in taking him to task for it.

If she hadn't been dating Spock, she would have been assigned to the Enterprise right off the bat. He was at fault -- not her.

The person that should be getting flack in this scene is Spock. He's the one who is almost screwing over Uhura's career -- someone who he should love. And instead he's treating her like crap.

Just because you love someone is not reason enough to give them the plum job. That *is* favoritism.

If she weren't dating Spock, she *might* have got the Enterprise. There is no way to know for sure, just because Uhura thinks she ought to is not a persuasive argument - she's not exactly an unbiased party and that is just entitlement. What we do know for sure is that because she was dating Spock she could bitch at him until he did assign her. Her dating him definitely got her assigned. Thank you for conceding that no one gets to be a comms officer in Starfleet without linguistic skills, and that the other guy obviously had to have them to justify him being there first though.

Except Uhura EARNED a spot on the Enterprise. A spot Spock denied her IN ORDER TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE of FAVORITISM. Her being assigned to the Enterprise is not giving her a plum job. It's giving her what she's earned. The film does show this -- she's the top of the class, she has unmatched aural abilities, she knows language better than the person currently manning the station, PIKE asks her to relieve him.

It's not entitlement when it's what you've rightly worked for and earned.

Spock is even less an unbiased party and he ADMITS that he placed her on the Farragut to avoid the appearance of favoritism.

Pike, who IS an unbiased party, asks her to take over the communications station.

Her dating him is what got her demoted to the Farragut in the first place and she rightly took him to task for screwing her over to cover his ass.

And given that Uhura was MORE qualified than the current comms officer that is yet MORE evidence that SPOCK is the one at fault. NOT Uhura.

No. Uhura claims she'd earned a place. We have no independent verification of that claim. That is what you don't get.

Pike asks her to take over when she speaks a language that the current officer does not.

The Farragut was not a demotion. It as simply a less prestigious placement.

She complained to her boyfriend and her boyfriend gave her a better posting. That he did so justified everything he'd said about it looking like favoritism. Spock might be at fault for being cautious, but he is even more at fault for giving in when she complains to him, using the fact that she is his girlfriend as part of her argument, and she is at fault for not accepting the original posting and for her part in the relationship. Lots of fault to be spread around, and just because Spock might have been in the wrong does not make the way Uhura handled it right. If she thought Spock was screwing her over, she should have gone over his head, and not to him about it.

She claimed she earned a place and then backed that up with evidence -- evidence that Spock can't counter -- which culminates in him conceding that she was assigned to the Enterprise to avoid the appearance of favoritism. That's unfair. His logic is unsound in this case because he's allowing his personal relationship with Uhura to prevent her from getting placed on the Enterprise. If she really hadn't earned it, then why would he tell her she's on the Farragut so that he can save face?

She complained to Spock because he didn't impartially evaluate her case. He allowed the fact that she's his girlfriend to cloud his judgement so that he assigned her to a less prestigious ship than she'd earned in order to avoid appearing as though he was playing favorites.

Spock wasn't being cautious -- he was throwing Uhura under the bus to protect himself. Uhura never uses the fact that she's his girlfriend as part of her argument. She talks about her work in his class and her unmatched aural abilities. Spock is the one to insinuate that their personal relationship is the reason that she was assigned to the Farragut in the first place.

I'm not saying that Uhura's perfect, but she is right to fight for the things she has earned.

She complained to Spock because he was emotionally involved with her and he would give in. Which he did. If she really believed she was right, then she would have put in a complaint instead of going up to him and demanding he let her on the ship. Remember, she doesn't know the rest of the fleet is going to be vaporized, there is no pressing reason she has to be on the Enterprise right there and then. She can put in her complaint, get it evaluated, and then if she really has earned it, be transferred onto the Enterprise at the correct time. The only reason she gets on the Enterprise at that point is because she has a personal connection with Spock that she exploits. She just decided that blatant disregard of authority was the way to go.

It isn't enough just to fight a perceived injustice, it has to be fought the correct way. Uhura does not, and comes across looking like someone sleeping there way to the top. It is bad writing by Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman (depending on which idiot had their hand in writing that scene), packed full of unpleasant implications, and served no purpose in the film other than to add pointless drama. If they wanted Uhura on the Big E, then they should just have assigned her there without adding this mess in.

Or…maybe she complained to him because he was the one to misassign her to the Farragut on the basis that he didn't want to look like he was playing favorites?

And who says that what she does isn't standard procedure. If you have a problem with a professor, do you not FIRST go to the professor before going to the dean? That's what Uhura did -- she knew Spock wasn't being fair and so she called him out on it. And he acceded to her logic -- she only argued using facts and evidence rather than appealing to his emotions by saying, "But I'm your girlfriend!" Instead, she said -- "Look at my abilities. Look at my grades. Look at my record. Have I not earned this? Why am I not assigned to the Enterprise then?"

To which Spock can only reply that he wanted to avoid the appearance of favoritism -- he has no argument against her.

I agree that it wasn't perfectly handled. I think the biggest problem with the scene is that since the audience doesn't know that Spock and Uhura are involved at that point, that it comes across as a superior officer getting talked down to. If they had developed the Spock/Uhura relationship more and shown Spock's concern (and how it's unwarranted) I think the scene would have played better for a lot of people.

Nevertheless, the film does subsequently establish their relationship and so you have to evaluate the scene with that in mind.

It's a mess, but I maintain that the character at fault is Spock. Not Uhura. She was clearly more qualified than the officer already aboard.

So what you are saying is that it makes sense if you give them a do-over. Nope. Not gonna cut it. Spock's a dick, Uhura is a spoilt brat, and Starfleet isn't college it is clearly a military in this branch of the timeline. She should have followed orders and challenged them later. She only got on the Enterprise after being assigned elsewhere because she was Pon-Farring Spock. No amount of special pleading can change that, but thank you for trying. It has been most entertaining.

In general, I've found that you don't want to involve superiors if you can resolve the problem on your own. That's what Uhura was doing -- she was trying to fix a situation by appealing to the person who had instigated the situation in the first place: Spock. Uhura isn't a "spoiled brat" for wanting her hard work to be recognized. She's better than the officer aboard the Enterprise, there's no reason for him to be there instead of her except for Spock wanting to protect himself.

To be honest, you lost me when you said that Uhura had tried argue with Spock on the basis that she was his "fucktoy." She never did such a thing -- you made that up completely. And that's how I know you're in the wrong. Because you said blatant falsehoods like the following:

"hey, I'm your fucktoy and I think you've short-marked me so bump it up and I'll keep on putting out"

Something which there was never the SLIGHTEST hint that Uhura was implying.

No, it doesn't only make sense if they're given a do-over.

The thing that ayrt has been saying throughout this entire thing is that she was SUPPOSED to be assigned to the Enterprise, but Spock bumped her from it because of their relationship. In other words, if she had wound up on the Farragut, then that would have been because she was sleeping with Spock, not the other way around.

To put it in even simpler terms, had she and Spock not been in a relationship, she would have been assigned to the Enterprise to begin with. He would never have tried to put her on the Farragut.

You're switching the cause and effect around and completely ignoring any and all attempts to explain to you that this is what you've done. Instead, your blathering on about how your supposed military experience should carry over to a fictional space military from hundreds of years in the future.

You are one dense fuckrag.

I found this old thread by pure coincidence googling some star trek stuff and man you have a case of serious misogyny here.
why so bitter about Uhura's vageen?
If there was anyone who didn't earn their place on the ship it was Kirk. Uhura was the one person they literally showed earning her place as the communications officer and she saved everyone's cute male a$$ by translating that message, to begin with.
Kirk cheated on a test and without his best friend acting as the unprofessional character he had always been, he wouldn't be on the enterprise or any other ship.
I bet you wouldn't have wasted all these comments over how unprofessional the male characters ACTUALLY are.
so take this double standard sexist bullshit about Uhura and go home.

I really agree 100 percent with what you said. Here scene with Spock about her posting just pissed me off.

Everything about that scene was so fucking terrible and gross and I hate that they put it in. I could have gotten behind Spock and Uhura in a relationship (though I would have preferred to watch it develop during the movies than have it pre-established), but that scene turned me off them SO FUCKING MUCH.

Exactly. Don't give us *that* scene and expect people to draw any conclusion other than 'pissy gf chewing out whipped bf'. It was just so *wrong*.

You wanna reboot and make Spock a totally different person, that's fine. You want Uhura and Spock to be lovers, also fine. But for the love of fuck, go about it in a rational way.

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