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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-07-06 04:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #2742 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2742 ⌋

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[personal profile] mekkio 2014-07-06 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But in Sleepy Hollow he needs to be in it because almost all of the supernatural elements is rooted in his origin.

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The Headless Horseman was his friend. He became the Headless Horseman in order to get revenge on Crane. Crane's wife bound him to the Horseman and when one awoke the other did. One of the other Horseman is his son. The very reason why the Apocalypse is coming is because of Crane's circle of family, friends and enemies.

You take him out, you don't have a story.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-06 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

You take him out, you don't have a story.

No, if you take him out, you have a different story.

I think this will be the last comment I make on the subject, because this thread is going around in circles a bit. So, one last time: all of the things you cited as central to the "story" are unique to the TV series and have nothing to do with the original story by Washington Irving. In Irving's story, the headless horseman isn't supernatural, Ichabod doesn't have a wife or son (or really any family and friends at all, if I'm remembering correctly; he courts Katrina, but in the end it turns out she was just using him to make the guy she was actually interested in jealous), and there's no Apocalypse. Also, Ichabod Crane has a completely different characterization than he does in the TV show.

The TV show is simply not a faithful adaptation in any way. And that's fine! It doesn't have to be. But that means that Ichabod Crane isn't required to be the protagonist either. The TV writers chose to make him the protagonist, but they could equally have chosen to tell a not-too-different story in which Katrina Van Tassel or Brom Bones was the protagonist, or to tell a very different story about a headless horseman in Sleepy Hollow in which none of those three characters was the protagonist.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2014-07-06 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
No, if you take him out, you have a different story.

But that's exactly the point. If you take him out, you don't have Sleepy Hollow. You have a different story that ISN'T the Sleepy Hollow we have been given. Like if you took Mulder and Scully out from the X-Files you would have a show about weird cases but you wouldn't have the X-Files because the characters make up the X-Files. Crane makes up Sleepy Hollow. And I like the story that I have seen with him and the rest. I don't want a different story.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-07 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

But that's exactly the point. If you take him out, you don't have Sleepy Hollow. You have a different story that ISN'T the Sleepy Hollow we have been given.

I think we've been talking at cross-purposes. What you seem to be saying here is essentially that Ichabod Crane (the TV character) is currently the protagonist of Sleepy Hollow (the TV show). All of which is objective fact, and I agree with you.

Upthread, by contrast, some people were arguing that Ichabod Crane (the character originally appearing in Washington Irving's "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow") must be the protagonist of any adaptation of "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" (specifically including the TV show Sleepy Hollow) in order for it to be identifiable as an adaptation of Irving's story. And I disagree with that argument, for reasons I've detailed above.