[ SECRET POST #2744 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2744 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/Ktuuorv.jpg

[sarillia]

This annoys me too. I think an adaptation needs to be able to stand on its own or it has failed.

[(Anonymous)]

I skipped supper. If I eat now I will get zero hours of sleep. ~regret~

[(Anonymous)]

And I hate it when people post ranty secrets but don't name the fandom. FFS it's anon.

...this isn't fandom specific, though...?

[nyxelestia]

I mean, a lot of fandoms are like this. I've luckily not run into this too much in my current, adaptation-based fandom (mostly because MCU is already pulling from multiple preexisting universes, so no one can really point to a single original, anyway). But I definitely remember this attitude coming up a lot in the Harry Potter fandom, and ran into variations of it in half the other fandoms I've been in.

[kaijinscendre]

That sandwich looks delicious. Good picture, OP.

[morieris]

I can agree - I shouldn't have to scour the internet for an explanation to things that should have been in the film. Some parts that weren't super important to the story, I get, but not stuff that is essential to understanding the central concepts of a film!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm a comics fan and I like the little easter eggs in the movies, but they shouldn't be necessary to understand it.

[skippydelicious]

is this Star Trek '09? The movie is such a mess that unless you go to the blogs, deleted scenes and graphic novel, nothing makes sense.

I agree though. To quote SFDebris, "You don't get credit for stuff you don't put in the movie because, now try to follow this because it's a pretty big leap, you didn't put it in the movie. I shouldn't have to wait months and watch all your deleted scenes to say 'Oh, this finally makes sense!' or pore through some non-canon books to say 'Oh, so this isn't a pile of nonsensical horseshit after all!'"

If you do an adaptation, its success or failure in the new medium depends solely on how well it uses that new medium to tell the story. The books don't matter.

[peablossom]

My first thought was Pacific Rim. Not because I agree that you need other media to understand it, but because I know it had a BUNCH of it.

[a_potato]

I can completely understand your frustration, but...mostly, this secret just made me realize that I'm hungry, because damn, I want that sandwich.

[(Anonymous)]

I know what you're trying to say, but your analogy is a mess.

[dancing_clown]

Yes, yes it is. Glad someone else mentioned it.

[(Anonymous)]

Mmm… cheese! I haven't had a grilled cheese sandwich in a long time.

[kallanda_lee]

Yeah, it is annoying. And with every new adaptation you're going to have new people getting into fandom - and they're not less worthy as a fan because they haven't been in it from day one.

[nightscale]

I get this, any adaptation has to be able to stand on it's own otherwise it didn't do a good job.

[(Anonymous)]

I take them more as excuses. If I didn't like the movie (or whatever adaptation it may be) you're not going to convince me of its greatness by thrusting tons of other crap my way. I'm just going to look at it and think it's lazy/poor execution if they had that much material to pull from and in the end couldn't do the adaptation justice. Most of time it's wasting my money, my time, and their potential.

[(Anonymous)]

This goes for standalone movies too. No, Frozen does not have well-rounded characters just because the cut songs and supplemental materials give them actual personalities, because they did not have those personalities in the movie.

[caffeine_buzz]

This one always bugs me whenever a new anime season starts and there's some new popular series based on a light novel, and when the show gets panned for sucking immediately you get a bunch of fans jumping all over yelling about how 'you have to read the light novel, it's so much better,' 'such-and-such is explained better in the light novel, don't criticize it until you've read the entire series,' 'you have to read the LN for it to make sense, it's all explained in the special side story' etc etc. Sorry, no. If you have to read the light novel for it to make sense and not suck then the show has failed as an adaptation, and people are allowed to dislike it without taking into account what the novel does or does not explain. (Lookin' at you, Mahouka and SAO fanboys.)

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, this. I prefer Watchmen the Movie to Watchmen the Graphic Novel and V for Vendetta the graphic novel to the movie. A million times over. It doesn't matter if the source material is good or not. If the movie sucks, the movie sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate it, too. What's worse is that sometimes people will still say that even if you liked the movie. There are movies I enjoyed that I never read the other material for (Avengers, Nolan's Batman reboot, LOTR Triology), but dear God don't tell people that or you'll get an endless lecture about how you can't possibly appreciate the movie without reading all the books/comics/whatever. And it's especially bad when the source material is 30 years of comics or some such. Yeah, let me just take a rainy Sunday afternoon and catch up on all that. I just wanted to watch two hours of actiony goodness; stop trying to assign me homework.

That said, I always like it when seeing the movie makes me actually want to read the book. Not because it was confusing or missing something, but it was so good I want to enhance the experience and learn more.

[ziltoidianrapture]

While I'm one of those assholes who get the urge to say "well, in the books they explain how..." from time to time, I agree completely. The adaption should be able to stand on its own.

I *get* why fans of the source material do what they do, though. It's really hard for me to watch adaptations with someone because I constantly want to point out what the adaption has changed from the source material, especially the parts that don't make sense to the other person. It gets frustrating if you know that the book/whatever explained something and the explanation got cut from the adaption. But the thing is that I don't think that works as an argument. If something gets adapted into a movie, chances are that it's the only version a good portion of the audience will experience. Which means that the film should be able to explain stuff like backstories and character motives to that audience. The source material shouldn't be used as an shield to excuse the adaption's faults.

Also, the whole "oh, you just don't like it because you didn't get it~" argument? I hate that. Nope. People can totally get the point a movie was trying to make and still dislike it.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yeah, if you need a blog, a commentary track, and Conan O'Brien to explain your screenplay YOU FAIL.

[spacebabie]

Is it bad that all I can think about when I read the secret is wondering if those are tomatoes or red sweet peppers?

[ninety6tears]

Yeah...I totally am able to enjoy a lot of fandoms like that more when I have knowledge that makes for deeper backstory, but I have to remind myself that it's about the same as loving a minor character because of your head canons for them.