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⌈ Secret Post #2747 ⌋

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[The Hobbit/Thorin Oakenshield]

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[The Vincent Black Shadow]

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[El Goonish Shive]

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[Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries]

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[Penny Dreadful]

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[Supernatural]

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[Blake's 7]

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[Edge of Tomorrow/Tom Cruise]

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[Quirk]

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[Homestuck]

18. [WARNING for rape]

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what?

English son of Latin and French?

what is this even saying

Well, what's it's saying is incorrect. English is a bastard amalgamation of the native dialects of the original denizens of England, then Olde French, Latin, and then one heaping giant of a German influence.

I mean seriously, it's actually classified as a Germanic language. How can that part be left out?

The original denizens of England are lost in the mists of time. The subsequent denizens spoke a form of Welsh. The next denizens spoke a Germanic language which later became English. English was heavily influenced by French after the Norman Conquest and, in the Enlightenment, large number of learned words were borrowed from Latin and Greek. It has never been heavily influenced by German. It is a Germanic language because its precursor language was Germanic, which is not the same thing as German.

Has the word 'Saxon' somehow become lost to the mists of time?

Historical roots of a language:
Saxon (German invasions) + French (Norman invasion) + Latin (Roman invasion) and some other Nordic languages (Viking invasions are fun, too!) = modern English, a result of centuries of invasions...

Has fandom secrets become an academic discussion forum? Not that I would object: academic discussions are always fun and may even be (rarely) instructive!

The roots of English are Anglo-Saxon, which is a Germanic language but is not German. Both Anglo-Saxon and German are descended from Proto-Germanic, but to say that Anglo-Saxon = German simply because the Saxons were from the region we now call Germany is inaccurate and confusing. Old High German (the earliest form of what we now call German) was spoken contemporaneously with Anglo-Saxon, but was distinct from it.

The Latin words in English do not have any relation to the Roman invasion of Britain, which happened before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. Most of them were borrowed more than a millennium after the Romans withdrew from Britain in 410 AD, as English began to be more and more in need of learned scientific words.

As for academic discussions, why not? It's always a good time.

Eh, some words were left over from the Roman invasion, and some more came with Christian missionaries to the Isles. Wasn't there are difference between Latin words used for basic concepts (like "street"; wasn't that a word that was around before the Anglo-Saxon conquest?), religion related Latin words and scientific Latin words?

Very few words were left over from the Roman conquest -- street being one of them. But you're right that a number of religion-related words came with the Latin church -- though again, not an enormous number, and most of these are fairly specialised vocabulary. The vast majority of direct borrowings from Latin came much later, though, and neither the religion-related words nor the later borrowings are due to the Roman invasion of Britain.

the word 'ravish' comes from those two languages

so "ravishing" is the son of English and French...okay

why does that mean people should use it?

and why is it not the daughter?

this secret is so odd

idk man, that's all i have

so many mysteries

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