[ SECRET POST #2750 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2750 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secret 2 related

[(Anonymous)]

But that's not how it works at all.

Seriously, I don't know where you're coming across. I totally agree animal testing would be bad if it's done the way you're describing, which is why no one does it the way you're describing. I mean, I'd assume if you're that keen on animal welfare you'd be familiar with principles like the Three Rs of testing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Rs_(animals) - which is basically standard practice and the ridiculous amounts of regulations and rules that make sure that the animals have a good standard of care.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing Here is the wikipedia animal testing page. Is it super comprehensive? No, but it should be a good read, and the reality of testing is quite different from what you seem to assume it is. Also the stages of testing drugs isn't 'oh let's try it on an animal it doesn't work let's ditch it forever', there are a lot of phases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research) and human testing IS one of them, the reason human testing isn't the first phase is because we would probably kill a lot of humans if it WAS.

Plus it's not all giving them drugs, especially with recent developments a lot of animal research is on genetic manipulation and trying to do that on a small scale - think of it like prototyping or proof of concepts - if you're making a car you don't jump straight to road testing when you haven't even worked out the kinks of how the engine is made. Of COURSE road testing will happen eventually, but there are a lot of steps leading up to that. Like with drugs and medical treatments, human testing WILL always happen, but it's not an either or thing, with either humans or animals and no in between.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/october13/med-felsher-1013.html here's an interesting article anyway that gives an example of what I meant.

Re: Secret 2 related

[ryttu3k]

Yes, and wouldn't it be lovely if they actually did stick with the Three Rs. Alas, much like ~animal welfare~ in the meat industry, there will always be people who claim, "Oh, we're trying to be nice to the animals, but there's no other way!" while merrily going about their business.

I am well aware of that page and have read it in the past. And yes, I am also aware of the phases of clinical research, I was NOT saying to jump straight from isolating a drug to doing clinical trials, that's why I was suggesting other alternatives! There is a huge list of alternatives here, and no, they're not perfect yet and do not replace testing on a living human being, but you can learn a LOT from these kinds of tests before starting controlled clinical trials.

If non-animal testing is not yet up to scratch, then they should be prioritising finding a better alternative while phasing animal testing out. I'm not saying it should happen overnight, but there NEEDS to be a change in thought where people will actually realise, hey, you know what? We do not have the RIGHT to do this to living beings. Let's try to actually work out something that's going to be safer, more efficient, and less cruel for EVERYONE.