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[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/wOTpG7g.png

[rubbertea]

it's not bad, but it's so overused that now i automatically roll my eyes at it.

[peablossom]

Of course, once Nemo is grown, Marlin will turn into a female so they can make more babies. So that's a bit different.

[silvereriena]

Haaa, I forgot clownfish changed sexes. So wait, this means Nemo will also become Nemona later as well?

[duaedesigns]

Only if he finds a smaller weaker clownfish to dominate.

I love that someone posted a story of their saltwater tank, they had a half grown clownfish so they picked out a tiny clownfish to make things easy, the tiny one would be the male, the larger one would turn female.

The tiny one chased the larger one into a crack and refused to let it out, bringing it food after it ate, until the tiny one was large enough to become the female and the (former) large one was now the male.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I am now intensely disappointed that the only Explicit-rated Finding Nemo fic on Archive of Our Own is M/M.

(I've actually seen the "male character turns female because there are too many males" plot in the fandom for James Cameron's Avatar, posted to adultfanfiction.net. Sadly, that fic's unfinished . . .)

Re: OP

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I saw that basic plot in a Torchwood shortfic. Jack called the team a sausagefest.

[cloud_riven]

Stupid clownfish. They have it so easy, why couldn't I be a clownfish.

[raspberryrain]

I am amused that this is a forum where everyone takes this thing about clownfish biology in stride instead of posting squick reactions to the idea of Nemo impregnating his dad.

(And I knew clownfish changed sex before I saw the movie, so, yeah, I was amused by that as I watched it.)

[(Anonymous)]

ASW is cemmenting on life in general, so the arty photo backgrounds make sense, but for a fannish one ... I guess I don't quite agree.

(The only one I've ever seen is softerwarcraft, which I enjoy precisely for the well-placed/well-chosen fannish backgrounds.)

[(Anonymous)]

misfire

[kallanda_lee]

Objectively: it's a good strong motivation.

In context: it has been done to death in several media, up to the point where it actually loses dramatic impact because it becomes a trope.

And I think it's the latter most people complain about.

[intrigueing]

Yeah, this. Also, if it was actually done DIFFERENTLY once in a while, that would be a lot better. But it sometimes tends to feel like all male fictional characters have memorized the same manual entitled "So Your Entire Family Died and It's 5% Your Fault: What Next?"

[(Anonymous)]

That is really actually the best description I've ever seen. I wish I could name a TV Tropes article after that.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

And now I am thinking that is the motivator for Coulsand Wardens in DAO.

[(Anonymous)]

It could always be "So Your Entire Family Die and It's 100% Your Fault (because you've killed them all...)" sort of thing.

Makes me glad that it seems that my character lost his entire family...and I just torture him periodically throughout my story to have him deal with it. XD

[a_potato]

It's not automatically bad. But we are at a point where people are sick of it.

I'm currently writing a story in which I was originally going to kill a member of the MC's family. Based on the feedback that I received (some of which was here on F!S), I decided to forgo that plan. It would have been cliche for me to go that route; it would also have potentially been sexist.

And that's what you have to consider. It doesn't matter that it's realistic if it's been done to death, and it doesn't matter that it's realistic if it implies a certain degree of sexism.

sorry for the huge ramble

[jaybie_jarrett]

I sort of agree, but sort of don't about character deaths. It's complicated.

RE: deaths of loved ones.

It has to be done skillfully and in a way that is genuine and fresh. Though what I would advise- because this is what I do in scenerios where I have a major character's parents killed- is keep the killed characters characters in their own right. Not through anguished memories of a person who's making the tragedy all about "it's my fault and I need to avenge them"- but have the killed characters have goals and importance. Make them have their own story in how you write them and treat them.

(also I strongly advise AGAINST "[family member died] and it's all MY fault MEMEMEMEME MEEEEEEEE" Just that's the annoying part for me. When the surviving character makes himself the biggest victim.)

In one of my stories where the plot called for killing family members of the protagonist , I didn't make him feel guilty for it. I made him be trying to deal with it quietly so he won't worry his younger sibling (but still emotionally effected) and I have him feel jaded and betrayed by how things work. Having this feeling of "it wasn't fair they were good people". I also tried to show and acknowledge other characters, like the hero's aunt and one of the victims' sister, and her feelings and emotions about it. I acknowledge that she's feeling pain and grieving and have the protagonist notice this. Basically I tried to make up for the fact that I killed the characters by showing them and their lives proper respect.

So yeah. I acknowledge that "family/loved ones dying" can be overused, and that's why you got to do it well. It shouldn't be not allowed to use ever IMO, because deaths are a thing that happen and should be allowed to be written about. But when it's done it should be done with good reason, and with ...if it makes sense... respect to the characters killed. Remember that they were individual people with lives and goals and stuff and don't make the deaths cheap. Also don't make the deaths all about one character and his (or her) pain. Respect that a lot of surrounding people will be affected and touched by it.

Also having the WHOLE family die seems kind of excessive. But I see no reason why you can't write about a character losing a loved one because of the plot.

[nightscale]

It's not inherently bad no, but it is so over-used that I end up rolling my eyes at it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind it simply because it allows for a quick motivation to be set up. The story is about an overprotective dad, and that dad is a lot more sympathetic with the backstory he's given. Yeah, they COULD have done something more unique or worked the death out in a more unique way, but that'd be taking time away from the actual story. It's a cliche, btu I don't think all cliches are bad. This is one that I think is almost necessary to be used for certain kinds of stories.

I think the trope is most problematic in that it's often the only way a female character is even present in a work.

[jaybie_jarrett]

Oh IA with the thing about female characters

if the characters who died are the only female characters there, that's kind of a major problem. Or if it's only them and a love interest. :/

I don't mind if the audience gets to know the family first

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like the problem with killing off a family member for drama is that it has a tendency to not resonate with a lot of people. That's not to say that the feelings of those who have lost mothers/fathers (at a young age), or siblings should be discounted, but I think too often it comes across as blatantly manipulative to make a character an orphan. When you get to know the family, though, it's much easier to see aspects of people you love in them and that makes their loss actually impactful as opposed to merely meaningful only to the protagonist while the audience is left to try to relate to a state of orphanhood (rather than actually missing the parents as characters).

Sorry for the rambling mess. I'm just having hard time explaining what I mean. I guess what I'm saying is that I never cared that Lily and James Potter were dead whereas I did care about Sirius Black and so I think Black's death worked much better dramatically. Although I understand why the loss of the Potters was necessary to the plot.

Re: I don't mind if the audience gets to know the family first

[jaybie_jarrett]

Wow you got to pretty much what I was trying to say (sorta) with less words.

IA with this

Re: I don't mind if the audience gets to know the family first

[cloud_riven]

Exactly! I don't have much invested in feeling sorry for a character I'm interested in because they lost basically faceless family/friends in their life.

And with Lily and James, what we did get to see of them was through the lens of other characters talking about them. Aside from Snape, they were put on such a pedestal it was hard for me to find them believable, so having the pensieve scenes (along with some of Harry's loss of idolization) showing them as teens with serious problems was a nice change from how they'd been presented before (excluding Lily who got the good emphasis that she has a moral code she sticks to).

[cloud_riven]

I hate when it's the only thing that seems to happen to a character, and it shifts the focus from the suffering of others towards that one singular point of blangst.

Otherwise, hell yeah throw everyone through the wringer. Spread the tears and pain some :d