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⌈ Secret Post #2755 ⌋

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Comments

[arcadiaego]

This thread just sounds like one of those 'if gay/black/trans people were nicer to us they wouldn't be oppressed!' Tumblr posts to be honest.

[(Anonymous)]

Too bad that I am a gay woman, in that case.

[arcadiaego]

Then you'll have seen the debates X Men is representing in our own community, most likely.

[(Anonymous)]

And I don't agree. So?

[arcadiaego]

You're saying that she should stop moaning because she could look like a conventionally attractive woman. That's not disagreeing about whether it's ok to get mad or be nice, that's just not engaging with the argument at all. But I don't think we're going to get any further, as you seem set on that, and after all, it is only a metaphor for violence being done against minorities, not an actual example of it worth getting worked up over.

[(Anonymous)]

She should stop moaning because she can literally look like WHATEVER she wants to WHENEVER she wants to.

[arcadiaego]

Yeah, ok, you obviously want to discuss an AU that exists in your head, so I'll say bye for now!

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, don't want to discuss anything, actually. Just trying to get it through your head that because you can sympathize with someone because Metaphor™, that doesn't work for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

As opposed to you, who's trying to argue that since the metaphor doesn't work for you, it shouldn't work for anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

No. From the very beginning, I said I can't sympathize with her and I can't fathom why she'd join the slaughter-all-humans team. Never that no one should, just that I personally don't.

Let's try a different metaphor, then.

[nyxelestia]

Joining a terrorist group wasn't the best reaction to her dilemma, but that doesn't mean her actual dilemma is somehow invalid. I mean, a lot of the stuff the Black Panthers did in the early civil rights era was terrible, but that doesn't mean racism wasn't a real, legitimate problem. A bad solution doesn't erase the problem.

If the whole "wanting to be blue" metaphor doesn't make sense, look at this way: let's say you have a very conventionally attractive man. He can roll out of bed and look like a cover model, puts on muscle with barely any work, and his hair always looks fantastic no matter what he does.

That won't mean a damn thing for him if he wants to wear a dress when he goes to work or does his groceries. He might as well be hideous - even if he knows he's not, not by societal standards - because it's not him.

And that's the point. Raven should be able to be her blue self and walk down the street or go to work or do groceries or whatever without fearing harassment or assault. But she isn't - she has to change her appearance. A man wearing a dress is liable to get attacked or killed in many parts of America and the world today, and in the Marvel universe, if Raven were to walk down the street as her blue-scaled self, she is very likely to get harassed or assaulted for it, and possibly even killed. Just for looking like herself.

And while the "changing appearance" part doesn't apply as much for people of color, the whole "being safe looking like yourself" part is. A black person should never have to live in fear of being harassed, attacked, or arrested just for walking down the street, yet that's exactly what happens for people across America (Trayvon Martin, anyone?).

No one should ever have to live in fear of looking like themselves.

It doesn't matter how she changes her appearance - the fact that she has to at all is the problem.

Re: Let's try a different metaphor, then.

[(Anonymous)]

This. This whole argument is starting to sound a lot like "If you're conventionally attractive, your problems aren't valid and you should just shut up and be grateful that you're ~so lucky~ to be pretty."

I'm detecting a lot of jealousy here, to be honest.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't matter how she changes her appearance - the fact that she has to at all is the problem.

Yes. This. Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

lol I love this comment

I'm so happy you stopped talking to that dumbass troll.

[arcadiaego]

Pusheen only puts up with so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone disagrees. It must be a troll.

Yeahhhh.

[(Anonymous)]

A dumbass troll, to be exact. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Mature.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but what if she WANTS to look blue all the time? Of course, joining a terrorist group over it is awful and not going to help anything, but your argument is completely flawed.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

As a general rule of thumb, minorities in our world, as far as I know, don't kill people as a general or have intra-group conflicts that range across the globe and even go into outer space. The same can't be said of mutants.

(That said, yes, if you're an ass, don't expect people to be nice to you. But that rule applies to everyone. This aside brought to you by the bi person who recently told me that no, their open and vicious chip against people who believe in God and/OR who don't want to hear about their sexuality, doesn't affect their social interactions at all. All of those people who respond negatively to them/their attitude are just being prejudiced, apparently.)

[(Anonymous)]

minus the space part, muslims do

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what your point is here.

[(Anonymous)]

read the news

[arcadiaego]

I think you know that X Men is a metaphor, based on what would happen in an action movie scenario where people have superpowers, but that aside, people who consider themselves to be oppressed communities have killed or done violence to those they consider to be their oppressors many many times throughout history.

[nyxelestia]

Generally? No. Always? Also no.

I mean, the mutant rights issues in the comics are a pretty strong parallel to the black civil rights movement of 1960's America. You get the leading man interested in integrating and harmony, trying to lead a peaceful movement (Martin Luther King Jr. and most black rights groups, especially the NAACP). Then you've got the leading man who believes separation is the only answer, and is either not afraid to use violence or even actively encourages it (Malcolm X, Black Panthers, etc.)

And while they may not be out there committing violence all that often, I've run into radfems who tend to act the same way, seeing all men as a threat and believing women can only be safe and happy away from men, buying into the whole "women can't rape or abuse men" myth, etc.

What you've got here is an extremist minority group that believes in separation, elimination, and violence in ways similar to many real life minority groups in the real world...but in a far better position to act on that violence in the fictional world than the groups in the real world.