[ SECRET POST #2757 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2757 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Did you miss the entire first 90% of the story where he tried to do just that?

...Or are you continuing AYRT's line of sarcasm? I can't tell here.

[(Anonymous)]

http://youtu.be/Epk7JUofoEY?t=49m35s

He tells Ramses in front of all of his people "You know I am a Hebrew, and the God of the Hebrews came to me. He commands that you let His people go."

Things might have gone differently if tried talking to Ramses in private first; Ramses might have been more willing to work something out then, maybe he could make it look like freeing the slaves was his own idea, instead of him following the orders of another religion's god and appearing weak to everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I actually agree with this, as far as it goes. Although being fair what Moses was trying to do was be honest with Ramses before Ramses went and said something irreversible based on something Moses knew to be a lie. Ramses just flat overrode his advisors and pardoned Moses for murder and anything else he might happened to have done, with no information and no idea what was coming next, and Moses was trying to defuse his brother's exuberance because he DID know what was coming next. As a political move it was shithead stupid, but he didn't make it from a political thought-process, but from a desire to be honest with his brother.

That aside, though, even if he had taken Ramses privately aside first, I'm not sure how much good it would have done. Ramses was exuberant and delighted to see him, to the point -again- of straight-up calling on divine right to pardon Moses for murder, but I'm not sure that exuberance would have extended to a) acknowledging Moses actual birthright, and b) releasing a nation's worth of slaves in one fell swoop. Given Ramses terror of letting his father down and being 'the weak link in the chain', even if it wasn't publically forced from him by a foreign god, I think that gesture would have seemed too large and public a weakness all on its own for him to contemplate lightly. Especially given his father's previous no tolerance approach to the Hebrews.

Moses would have had a better shot of it had he handled it differently, but I honestly don't think it would have worked even still. Ramses was working on too great a legacy of fear of dishonour, desire for paternal approval, and history of conquest, to back down on that scale. Even if privately he might have considered it, actually realising the Hebrews would have been a massive public display regardless, and he'd have seen it as a display of weakness.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if he talked to Ramses in private, thinking that the guy would work with him then is a massive misreading of his character and actually disturbs me.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you the same guy above who thinks persecuted groups should just stay quiet, or someone else?

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Complaining that persecuted groups should go to their oppressors meekly in private and beg them to stop being oppressive because that allows the oppressor to save face is a lot closer to silencing.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

No, if this was the same OP from above, he was saying the Gargoyles shouldn't ask the humans to treat them better, because the humans might be scared of them.

To answer your other question, in this case we're talking about two brothers who love each other, the situation is different from your average 'persecuted/oppressor' situation.

Re: DA

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

That argument looked like it was more that the Gargoyles should find an indirect way of dealing with humans, because the humans are not going to respond favourably to the direct method.