[ SECRET POST #2767 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2767 ⌋

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Comments

[lyriel]

And because of those issues, people with low-paying jobs often live with roommates or with family, etc. Why is Penny choosing to live alone, in a relatively nice apartment, in the same building with people who are Phd. university employees?

Don't turn this into some anti-worker thing. I didn't go there, you did. I've had a wide variety of jobs in my life, and many of them were retail, but I managed to not demand free Thai-food from random guys across the hall, nor did I literally spend my rent money on hot shoes, which Penny canonically does.

Penny chooses not to live within her means, and then takes advantage of these naive, easily-manipulated nerdy guys. Why are people so full of excuses for her?

"Friends helping friends during tough times" is not the same thing as "I knowingly and intentionally spent my rent money on hot shoes." It's not the same, at all.

I acknowledge that all of the characters have negative traits, but what is likeable about her? I don't see it. The positive qualities that people attribute to her are pure headcanon/fanon.

[blitzwing]

It doesn't need to be turned into "some anti-worker thing". It already is, although really it's just disgustingly classist. When you imply that people aren't real plumbers or are only a "retail worker in theory" because they've taken assistance, you are being classist.

It doesn't matter what you have done or Penny has done, you made a statement that had nasty implications against low-wage workers.

You hate Penny, fine. I don't give a shit. But don't, in your quest for justifications to hate Penny, say shit that goes against real low-wage workers.

[lyriel]

Nowhere did I say that it's not okay for people to receive assistance, any kind of assistance, whether from the government or from friends or from other sources. Those are perfectly legit things.

Mooching off some emotionally-naive nerdy guys who have a crush on you is not at all the same thing as collecting welfare or collecting unemployment benefits, or friends mutually helping friends. Penny openly states "I'm cute, I get by."

You're talking about people who face financial struggles through no fault of their own. I'm talking about a fictional character who faces financial struggles through knowingly and intentionally making poor decisions, and then uses her sex appeal as a means to mooch off people who are socially naive and unlikely to say no.

I did not write some anti-welfare screed, here. I don't know where you're getting that.

You haven't answered any of my questions as to why people are so quick to make excuses for Penny, while judging the other characters pretty harshly and holding them to a higher standard of behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree 100%. Geez, this argument. Penny is not financially responsible, the end.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no idea why this single anon posting twice is giving you such shit. This is completely accurate. Penny isn't a poor struggling waitress trying her best to get by. She's a mooch who blows paychecks on expensive shoes, and then gets Leonard to pay her rent. Are these replies trolling or what? Penny doesn't need any sympathy.

[(Anonymous)]

this single anon posting twice

You trying to give everyone a hint about you posting twice?

[lyriel]

"you are being classist."

I'm heartbroken. My day is ruined.

[lyriel]

"It doesn't need to be turned into "some anti-worker thing". It already is, although really it's just disgustingly classist."

I am talking specifically about this fictional character. More to the point, I am questioning why the show's writers try to present this character as being likeable, and then consistently show her behaving in an unlikeable manner.

You are going off on some emotion-fueled tangent, full of righteous anger because I supposedly put people down for using welfare or other forms of assistance, which I absolutely and categorically did not.

It is perfectly legitimate to need and use assistance, whether that assistance is formal (the government) or informal (friends and family.)

But a fictional character who uses her looks to get random guys to pay her bills is not an admirable character. That's the point, here.

[lyriel]

When someone starts getting angry and emotional and talking about how "offended" they are, that's a sure sign they have no actual answers to the questions being asked.

You haven't refuted any of my points. Not one.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That's probably because you seem quite batshit and are, indeed, a classist fuckwad. Go ahead and make a dozen more replies/posts.

[(Anonymous)]

Why on earth did you make so many replies? You obviously know how to use the "edit" button.

[world_eater]

"Angry and emotional" as opposed to... whatever it is you're doing here?

[(Anonymous)]

You know, it's funny because people say we hate the traits in others that we ourselves have.

You come across as hostile and socially inept...just like Penny! :)