[ SECRET POST #335 ]

[degrees.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #335 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

I'm not actually around, Semagic is doing the work for me, so you guys do the name that fandom! :D

Also... the amount of not posted secrets today worries me. Perhaps some of you could do with a refresher on the rules and regulations?

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 47 secrets from Secret Submission Post #048.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken link, [ 1 2 3 4 ] not!secrets, [ 1 2 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] WTF?, [ 1 ] Teal Dear Rant Sans Secret But Amusing Enough To Make A Seperate Category For Because Of The Tattoo.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, December 7th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ruxi.livejournal.com]

Well, see, that's... debatable. Following on your example: you know a char is maidenly and chaste. Suppose they're only that way because they want to land a good marriage, and virginity's still prized in their home world - if they were to, say, get thrown into a place that they clearly can't escape, or somehow assured they could never get their marriage proposal anyway? Maybe they'd say, "fuck this, deprivation is pointless," and go ahead and be the.... village bike. *laughs*

Or maybe they're maidenly and chaste due to religious beliefs - but then suddenly something happens that convinces them that, 'lo and behold, their God? All too fake, religion is pointless, let's go completely against it because they're just that disappointed etc, etc, etc.

I think that if you're making an assessment on OOCness, you need the same amount of familiarity with the given canon as the person playing the particular character. Otherwise, you're prone to error based on "why/how/where/when" particulars.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree on the small font! It works with fanfics. Anything goes as long as the writer can work towards it/and or make it believable!

[ruxi.livejournal.com]

GO GO TEAM OPTIMISM. *__* b

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

I think that a major part of . . . being the character is in their canon beliefs! In the situations you mentioned, if the character was that type of person to begin with, it probably would have been . . . specifically mentioned in the canon. Like, say, "Sally was so excited for her upcoming wedding and she wanted to be pure at the wedding" would suggest that Sally becoming the village bike wouldn't be IC for her, but "Sally wanted her wedding to be over and done with so she wouldn't have to worry about being a silly maiden anymore" would suggest it was?

That was tl;dr and kind of a tangent but I think my point is! A character basically has a ... sort of personality core, and once you get enough why/how/where/whens to change that core, you're playing a completely different character, so that's OOC, even if people only vaguely know the canon.

... I forget what I meant to say XD I guess maybe I don't think of even the most well-developed characters as being as realistic as a live person- a lot of them are at their base archetypes, and to have them straying too far from the archetype seems strange? But I'm rambling now.

[ruxi.livejournal.com]

Well, yes - but if you know how a specific character was in canon, then you... know the canon beyond a very loose familiarity with it? That's already fairer game, and a position you can assume to comment on OOCdom.

Naaaaaw, I think I see what you mean - the Nabokovian three obsessions, right? A character has to have three core reasons that apply in hierarchic succession to every damn one of his or her decisions? That's something I go by, myself, in char construction - but I know a lot of people disagree with the premise.

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

Weeeeell I think for the REALLY HUGE THINGS, loose familiarity is all you need! Like if you had, say, Squall from FF8 frolicking through a field of daisies, everyone and their mother would know it was massively OOC. For subtle things, though, I totally agree that you can't say "WHEN YOUR CHARACTER PICKED HIS LEFT NOSTRIL THAT WAS TOTALLY OOC, I HAVE A GUT FEELING HE SHOULD HAVE PICKED HIS RIGHT".... or something like that.

--- I had no idea that was what it was called! XD Learn somethin' new every day. o/ Ignore my keywords

[(Anonymous)]

...Rinoa spiked Squall's drink. :

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

I bet someone's written that fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

If Rinoa's love hasn't turned Squall into a daisy-frolicking new man already. True love does that!

*snerk* Seifer could do it for the yaoi version.

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

Probably the only reason he wasn't frolicking among the daisies was because he was too busy carrying Rinoa on his back hither and yon.

Don't be silly, Yaoi!Squall doesn't frolic, he angsts and gets raped.

[(Anonymous)]

Or gets mpregged.

There was a time when FF8 yaoi was nearly non-existent. How I remember those times fondly.

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

Or self-mutilates.

Was that before the game was released, by any chance?

[(Anonymous)]

Back when FFnet was still new and still allowed NC-17 fics. Back then, yaoi pairings existed, but they were few... at least, the crack pairings (Squall/Fujin, Quistis/Laguna) and the Mary Sues outnumbered them still. Most people, at least the circle I was in, mostly found the idea of Irvine hitting on Squall, or Zell and Seifer doing so, being simply OOC.

Now, it seems yaoi is a norm. I'm not anti-yaoi per se, but it is unsettling to see how mainstream it is now.

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

I wish Quistis and Selphie were in more fics. And that Rinoa was portrayed less as Little Princess LookAtMe from Disk 1-2, and more like the disk 3-4 Rinoa, who was much more likeable.

Most of the yaoi isn't even well-written. It's just "SQUALL IZ A MODEL AND SEIFER IZ A COP AND THEY HAVE SEX A LOT R/R PLZ"

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even remember how Rinoa was in disk 3-4. She feels the same to me. Obviously, I wasn't very fond of Rinoa as a character. Still, I strongly dislike heroine bashing solely for the sake of getting another pairing going. (Rinoa sucks, go Quistis/Seifer/Zell/Selphie! theme in some fics annoy)

That's because it's usually young teens writing them... Which is a scary fact in itself.

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

Rinoa got way more mature in disks 3/4 imo! But it's easy to miss, because most people were too busy gagging over Squall's personality 180.

Now that you mention it, it kind of is. But I guess it's BY 14-year olds FOR 14-year olds in most cases!

[ruxi.livejournal.com]

lulz I dunno if that's what it's called, it's what I call it.

He can frolick through a field of daisies because you take the liberty of giving the character an allergy to pollen? So he ends up in a field o' flowers, weird chemical shit happens - Squall goes squee?

Buuuuuuuut. Yessum, I think you can depend on more general canon knowledge to catch the glaring, or major failings - but you'd prolly need canon savy for the subtleties. I think that's what the OP was addressing, or at least that's what it read as to me.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

One of the players in the game, and speaking as a mod (Helga-mun here, hi all), and I'd like to thank all the anons as well as... non-anons, for keeping this discussion civil. sir_hellsing has helped me with my canon for Helga, and I also have access to the original Japanese myself which I am working my way through. So I do hope if anyone feels my characterization is off, they'll let me know.

I appreciate the civility. Thank you for not wanking!

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

HELGA AND KASPAR GIRLS' NIGHT OUT. WHEN?

[suzuran-lily.livejournal.com]

Oh, if there's a plausible explanation, that's fine. XD; But if it's just "SQUALL FEELS REALLY HAPPY TODAY AND WANTS TO FROLIC", well.

I dunno one way or the other about the OP! I was just butting my nose in where I really had no business to XDD;