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Staying late at work, day the 3rd. Sorry again.

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Tony/Loki

Yes, you could argue that they have some things in common, but let's be real, Tony would be horrified at the idea that he was ever that close to being genocidal intentionally, given how he reacted to finding out he was murdering people by proxy with his company's weapons.

+1 Very few good fics which manage to tackle the issues.

I always feel like their similarities are the exact things that would be most likely to make them hate each other *even more*.

Tony seriously has zero patience or sympathy for that kind of shit if it was done intentionally, given how horrified he is at what he himself did through negligence and ignorance. And Loki would resent the everloving hell out of anyone who could go "yeah no, you don't actually *need* to become a genocidal maniac if you had a shitty childhood and are smarter than everyone and were betrayed by the people you loved. See?"

At the risk of repeating myself, there's also the fact that Loki is perilously close to being a non-lame version of Justin Hammer.

Exactly! That's why I can't understand why people would even think of shipping them.

I actually shipped them quite a bit in a hate-UST and/or non-con context early on (just sort of extending the whole dynamic in the scene with Loki trying to brainwash Tony and Tony mocking his performance issues and Loki snapping and choking him), but the glut of people who sincerely believed Loki's similarities to him would make Tony sympathize with him and want to fuck him sort of turned me off the whole thing, which is a pity.

It's also a bit hilarious how lots of people used the "Coulson Lives!" thing solely as an excuse to let Tony go "oh okay, you didn't kill *him*, so I won't be betraying anyone by having sex with you!"

DA

people who sincerely believed Loki's similarities to him would make Tony sympathize with him and want to fuck him

I could even see that in a fucked up sort of way where Tony wanted to be the Pepper/Rhodey/Yinsen in somebody else's life for a change, and got sex tangled up in it along the way because part of him still thinks with his dick, especially with people he doesn't actually like all that much. It could well be an extremely messed up extension of a hate-ust initial scenario that gives Tony a Stockholm-ish sort of reason to actually stick around, though Jesus it would be all kinds of messed up. Scenarios where Tony and Loki fuck aren't really necessarily all that difficult or unbelievable (though messed up, yes, always). It's the ones where they're in a fluffy romantic relationship with maybe one woobie confession and a rescue or two and no other lead-up that weird me out.

It's also a bit hilarious how lots of people used the "Coulson Lives!" thing solely as an excuse to let Tony go "oh okay, you didn't kill *him*, so I won't be betraying anyone by having sex with you!"

I always wonder why they forget Clint. I mean, thousands of lives lost, fine, million is a statistic and the audience was forgetting them for quite a bit as well. But Clint is right there, a man Tony personally knows who would really quite like to stab Loki repeatedly in the face for thoroughly justified reasons.

That's a cool idea! Though I guess I don't really see Tony as the kind of guy who would go after someone unrepentant to try to fix them -- Loki's mindset is basically diametrically opposite to that of Bruce, and I think, Tony's reasons for being so interested in him are a bit like the one you describe up there. So I think this scenario would only work in some type of situation where Tony was forced to hang around with Loki *and* Loki repented or was exonerated of most of the blame beforehand, *and* somehow the other barriers (like what happened to Clint and Coulson) were mitigated. Then I could accept it happening, although there doesn't seem to me to be much momentum anywhere to drive it to happen.

But really, I just can't shake the distinct impression that Tony thinks Loki is sort of ridiculous. Which is almost a bigger barrier to shipping than evilness, IMO :D

People so commonly ignore what happened to Clint. I guess because he doesn't whine about things his feelings aren't that big a deal? It makes me sadface.

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