[ SECRET POST #2769 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2769 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[intrigueing]

I want to say this is hilariously fantastic but I can't help worrying some fannish IRS employee is going to screw over a whole lot of people if they notice this.

[fingalsanteater]

How would it being screwing someone over to reject false documentation?

[intrigueing]

I mean, the secret mentions most of these are migrant workers, and given the U.S. joke of an immigration system, I really can't muster up any unsympathetic feelings towards illegal migrant workers (in general, at least).

And I probably just opened myself up to some big political kerfuffle...oops.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, if they're filing paperwork to pay taxes, falsified as the IDs may be... I really have no problems with people working jobs and paying taxes, as long as the work itself isn't illegal.

[philstar22]

I agree with you completely. Our immigration system is messed up, and I'm completely sympathetic towards migrants just trying to live their lives. Although I will say generally undocumented is a better term than illegal. It actually isn't even a crime to cross the border or to work (employing migrants and helping them across the border is what is illegal). Re-entry is a crime and using someone else's social security number is a crime. And I am also worried that doing this will raise suspicions.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not understanding this: It actually isn't even a crime to cross the border or to work (employing migrants and helping them across the border is what is illegal).

I'm a Canadian, and when I travel to the States, they ask me if I plan to work while I'm there. I say, hell no! because I'm on vacation. I understand you have to have a work permit to work there?

Are you saying that it's not technically illegal for me to work in the States (meaning, I won't get charged), but it's illegal for employers to offer me a job (so they get charged)?

[philstar22]

It isn't a crime. You aren't supposed to do it, but it is only the employer that can be prosecuted for it. The law is set up to target employers. But if you get found out, you'll probably get deported.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, go figure - I had no idea. Mind you, I'm still not going to work when I'm visiting you guys. I also don't want to be deported. :)

[philstar22]

It is a big thing because several southern states tried to make it a crime (namely Arizona and Texas) and the courts ruled that immigration is a federal issue and they aren't allowed to do that.

[fingalsanteater]

Oh, no. I completely agree that the immigration system is fucked. But, just because the OP has the luxury if ignoring false documents, doesn't mean people in other jobs who can't are trying to screw people over.

[intrigueing]

Oh I didn't mean that either, sorry if I implied it. I meant it more in the passive sense -- the migrant workers will *get* screwed over by the law, not that it's the IRS worker's fault for following the law. Bad wording.

[(Anonymous)]

I can. Nothing bugs me more than people who think the law doesn't apply to them. Everyone else has to follow it, but not them, they're a special case. This is especially egregious in the immigration system where we increasingly celebrate people who come here illegally which is a giant F.U. suckers to the people who followed the law and got their visas and green cards the way they were supposed to.

My sister's boyfriend immigrated here from Russia three years ago and yes it was a frustrating process, but he did it. Millions of people do it every year. It's doable. It's more doable here than in most countries. But you have to play by the same rules as everyone else. You don't get to make an exception for yourself. You're not better or more deserving than the guy filling out paperwork in the embassy in Uganda that you get to show up here without the permission that he's waiting for. I don't think requiring everyone to play by the same rules is unreasonable.

[intrigueing]

That's all fine and dandy and morally high ground on paper, but the immigration laws are still bullshit and I still can't really muster up any animosity towards people in desperate financial straits who can't wait three years for not abiding by them. No, it's not like it's totally okay to break the law, because as you say it causes a lot of negative effects for people who do follow the law, and for law enforcement, etc, but I blame that on the lawmakers sitting in their cushy offices who would rather bicker over political advantage than get anything of value done for not reforming those laws, not on people trying to make a living.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, like the OP says. The ID maker needs to stop with the implausible fannish names.

It seems like such an obviously bad idea...