[ SECRET POST #2769 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2769 ⌋

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Comments

[saku]

genuinely curious, under what scenarios have you seen "real trans people" harassed by "fake" trans people? are you talking about truscum demanding dysphoria out of these supposed "fake" trans people, because as a dysphoria-having trans person i can guarantee you are listening to the wrong group of people.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

No one is talking about some truscum crap. We're talking about people that ID with gender identities that were literally created as a joke (i.e nanogirl).

I mean technically gender is a social construct for a lot of people, and we could make up "lotion bottle gender" and claim to be trans and identify as lotion-bottle-gendered. Which is what a lot of tumblr kids have done with shit like nanogirls and nanoboys.

There is literally no end or constraint to the amount of gender identities you can create and identify with. And a good amount of the people identifying as shit like lotion-gendered like to use the lolbatshit nature of their ID to harass people, because there's no argument you can use against the fuckwits that won't seemingly erase more legitimate gender identities. Meanwhile the fuckhead lotion-genders, nanogirls, etc get to pick on trans men and say they're "worse than cishets" for identifying as male, and that they're perpetuating oppression by doing so, and "why would anyone choose to identify as male?"

Yup. That pretty well seperates the lotion-gendered and nanogirl types from real trans people. Lotion-genders really do believe that being trans is a choice and that the gender identity people choose is totally up to whim and personal inclination.

Does that answer your "Just curious" comment and your earlier one? And take care of your assumption that we're all just dumbo meanies who don't know anything about trans issues and only know the mainstream knowledge? Do you believe that being trans is a choice? Like the tumblr kids do?

[saku]

ok but people who identify as shit like that in jest arent trying to figure out their identity, as was mentioned upthread, theyre purposely mocking trans people. no mention of that was made anywhere in this thread. you are only seeing what you want to see and assuming everyone else is on the same page.

im also not entirely sure where youre getting the idea that "nanogenderism" was created as a joke when it's an offset of demigenderism, both of which are taken seriously by those who identify as them. im not going to get into whether or not it's a "real" identity but assuming theyre joking and mocking them accordingly does no justice for "real" trans people like myself.

furthermore, i dont see why youre under the impression that any trans person thinks being trans is a choice. thats a very clear cisgender opinion, and it's been used to oppress trans people for decades. it's not that one's identity is up to whim it's that some folks ave a difficult time finding a label that they feel 100% suits them. youre mistaking this exploration with a declaration of choice where there is none.

to tie this back into the main point - none of these identities do any systematic damage to transgenderism when they arent made as jokes. the jokes themselves tend to come from cis people who already dont see trans people as human, and in that case, why are you blaming trans people for that?

[(Anonymous)]

furthermore, i dont see why youre under the impression that any trans person thinks being trans is a choice.

This is literally what many trans kids on tumblr say. As I told you. I'm not sure why you're confused as to why I would say so.

im also not entirely sure where youre getting the idea that "nanogenderism" was created as a joke when it's an offset of demigenderism

Because the person who created the term has came out and said it was a joke. Why do you keep making the assumption that everyone is just making these assumptions and jumping to conclusions based on nothing?

thats a very clear cisgender opinion,

Oh I see. You're trolling. Well good day then.

[saku]

im not confused, im just contending your claim. anybody who says being trans is a choice is either trolling, or sincerely believes that, and is probably not trans themselves.

do you have a source on the nanogender thing? from what i have personally heard, "nanogender" as a term was coined by truscum to condemn certain nonbinary identities. people use it now as a serious term to minimise the negativity in its coinage. you said this discussion had nothing to do with truscum but you keep literally making it directly about truscum and truscum opinions.

i really dont get this aversion to "cisgender" as a term, it's not derogatory and especially in this discussion it's relevant. i'm not trolling, no matter how unfortunate that seems to you.

the bottom line is that people who identify as fuckin fairies or plants or whatever, like, yeah thats kind of weird i guess, and im of the opinion that most of them grow out of that mentality, but people like that are not causing transphobia, they just happen to stir it up in folks who were already transphobic to begin with. theyre literally not hurting anybody. any oppression ive faced as a trans person has not been because of them. blaming them for that makes no sense.