[ SECRET POST #2773 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2773 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Maplestory]


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(Ted and Ralph, The Fast Show)


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[Big Hero 6]


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[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]


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[Arashi no Yoru ni]


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07. http://i.imgur.com/QnC2dWq.jpg
[Hannibal, linked for nudity and gore]


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I am tired of trans headcanons going to the well of "this female character struggles with femininity, so trans!" Especially when size is an issue, because there are big, brawny cis-women out there who have been rendered gender neutral their entire lives because of their size, so hearing people in fandom take characters similar to them and make them trans is so, so frustrating and disheartening.

[kallanda_lee]

Exactly - I actually know two trans women who are shorter than me, one of them with even a considerable smaller shoe size. Not saying my issues are bigger than theirs (I really don't think so), but it's a thing, you know.

Most of my friends have like 30 pairs of shoes to choose from - I have 6, maybe, if I'm lucky, and two of those pairs will look like they're for a stripper and another 2 like they're for my grandma.

I am both tall and wide so good luck in getting stuff that fits me at my hips AND is long enough.

I've learned how to dress well, over the years, but it's challenge and finding skirts is very hard.

But fact is I sometimes feel like a golem in a clothing store. I've sort of gotten over it, but I still get self-conscious if shopping with a friend with more average sizing.

You can be a cis girl and still have these issues, it's actually quite common for bigger women.

[abharding]

Tell me about it....Been there, done that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not singling you out anon, I mean this to basically everyone who's commented on this secret: please calm down, please reconsider why you feel this way.

the OP is a trans woman. she is looking for literally ANY representation of herself at all in media and sees this character who goes through some of the same issues she does, and feels like she identifies with that. she already pointed out she knew she'd get shit for saying this, so what's the point of actually DOING that? and really, can you not see why someone who struggles with her own expression of femininity would feel identification with a character who feels the same way?

interpreting a character as trans does not degender them. it doesn't somehow neutralize makoto's femininity/femaleness, and it doesn't neutralize anyone else's. the OP is clearly aware it isn't ACTUAL canon, and it isn't in any way preventing you from liking or identifying with makoto for your own reasons. being trans isn't an insult. so why is this an issue? why do you feel upset she's doing this? let OP do her thing, anon. she ain't hurtin' nobody.

[(Anonymous)]

How do you know OP's trans?

[(Anonymous)]

verbatim from the secret: "I like looking for things about her to identify with as trans"

I'm not sure why a cis person would be identifying with makoto as a trans woman? idk.

[(Anonymous)]

didn't catch the part, my bad

[(Anonymous)]

It still doesn't mean OP is trans. Read it again.

[(Anonymous)]

look, I'm not really up for debating about a complete stranger's identity with you. that's just getting into creepy territory at this point.

it's not even the point. read my comment again and calm yourself down, or at least respond to the actual content of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't speak for ayrt, but I can try to speak for why it's sometimes an issue for me. "Trans" is absolutely not an insult...but it IS insulting to be bombarded with the message that you aren't really a woman, over and over again.

In the case of this secret, that isn't really happening; as you point out, OP is just looking for representation and recognizes that this interpretation isn't canon. But there are a lot of spaces where, if a character doesn't "do gender" in the "correct" way, then they're considered to not actually be the gender they identify with and present as. This sometimes carries over to real people; I have, in fact, been asked if I'd considered the fact that I might really be male, and then told I was in denial when I replied that I definitely feel female (this was an IRL conversation, by the way). And when I was younger, people would misgender me on purpose because I didn't fit the mold of what a girl is "supposed" to be.

What I have experienced is, of course, nothing compared to what trans* people have to experience. I fully recognize this, and I don't want to make it seem like I think the issues I've encountered are on the same level. It can, however, be very frustrating to see female characters who are like me get stripped of their womanhood due to not following a certain gendered script. And I can see that being frustrating for men who are different, as well.

[parsianprince]

I can associate with some of what you speak of. When I was growing up, I kept getting told that playing video games and reading comics wasn't being a girl. On top of it, I didn't have many other "female" hobbies, so I was always being told I wasn't a girl. For a long time, I actually thought I should have been male. Thankfully, someone finally told me what a tomboy was, and for me, that was a moniker I could live with to identify myself.

But, I also have an acquaintance who looks and sounds very masculine. She's definitely a woman though, though her mother kept asking if she was gay. But she's happily married, just doesn't fit the "mold."

I think, a lot of what bothers people in this secret is just we've all gone through so much crap in relation to who we are, and what we're "supposed" to be, that feeling defensive is somewhat natural. And that applies both to trans and cis men and women. So, maybe this secret is a good thing; it shows just how frustrating it can be for people to be assigned something, rather than accepted for who they are.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, this. a big trans women and a big cis women have these problems in common... because yknow, they're women. the character doesn't need to be cis for people to relate to her, it doesn't take anything away, but it makes a big difference the other way round

[(Anonymous)]

You aren't getting it. The implication is that if you're unfeminine, then either you Used to Be a Man or you Aren't Really a Woman. And that is a fucking problem, and I don't get why people like you don't recognize that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this.