[ SECRET POST #2776 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2776 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Flaubert stated that he wasn't criticizing Emma at all.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, that's interesting to me, because Emma certainly seemed to be the author of a lot of her own woes.

[(Anonymous)]

(new to the thread)

You can depict someone doing extremely stupid things without mocking them. You present the story and characters, and then the audience mocks or judges or empathizes or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt, agreed, I wouldn't say Flaubert was necessarily mocking her (as OP of this thread said), but it seems to me he was criticizing. Or, perhaps he had no judgement, and I was criticizing her nearly boundless stupidity. I pitied her, but I felt more sorry for her husband and child who had to deal with the mess she left behind.

[(Anonymous)]

Quote, please?
I admit that criticizing is a harsh word and that Flaubert clearly likes and pities Emma to a certain extent but is still really ironic.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember reading he said "nobody dare judge Emma, she is all of us" or something along those lines during his trial.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's true but it doesn't mean that he wasn't using her to point out what he thought was wrong with his contemporaries. I mean, he is rumored to have said "Madame Bovary, c'est moi" (literally, "Madame Bovary is me"), meaning that he acknowledges that he identifies with some traits - if he isn't talking about the book itself but the scholars never agree on that point -, but that doesn't mean that those traits are necessarily positive ones, hence the irony.

However, Flaubert also said in his correspondence that Madame Bovary is "une oeuvre surtout de critique" (literally "above all a critical work")meant to symbolize the failure of the bourgeois values.

[(Anonymous)]

That's still a pretty harsh criticism.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not criticism at all, unless you mean at the bourgeoise for oppressing women.