[ SECRET POST #336 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #336 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Out again, Christmas shopping/making a buttload of cookies! You know what to do!

Last day to submit for next week!

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #048.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secret, [ 1 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] repeat.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Saturday, December 7th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: OP of 37

[fuyu]

No, you didn't say that, but that's the message that came through, if the number of people who came away with that impression is any indication. You never said they were boring or similar or cliched in the secret - the keywords you circled brought across a pretty strong feeling that you were criticizing them for being weak ("obeying" is a pretty strong weakness word in this context, especially), not samey or boring.

You put a lot of emphasis on the negativity of the yamato nadeshiko and, given only that and the images and "these women are the reason I write slash", the logical connection, reading the secret, is that you're calling them all yamato nadeshiko despite few of them qualifying and a lot of them cheerfully marching in the opposite direction.

It's really annoying to have your point misunderstood and I sympathize, but can you see how we could have gotten the wrong message? If you'd wanted to tell us you just find them similar and boring, well, it would have helped a lot if you'd said they were similar and boring instead of harping on the yamato nadeshiko and then not demonstrating how your train of thought followed from that.

(Also, given that, are there ANY women in Japanese media you don't find boring? In my experience, if all of those examples are boring and rooted in the yamato, then, well... have you ever found one that ISN'T?)

Re: OP of 37

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you're right. My point was totally obscured. I did a shitty job trying to get my message accross.

I actually kind of like the cutesy genki girl - Yuffie, Rikku, whatever. I know it's totally hypocritical to condemn one stereotype and like another, but... I don't know, they seem like more fun in general.

Re: OP of 37

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Also, avoiding stereotypes altogether is also a very good thing. Original characterization FTW!

Re: OP of 37

[fuyu]

I've always been very fond of the genki girls myself. :) It's only recently I've begun to really appreciate the particular strengths and general character type of the very feminine staff-wielding girl, but I've loved Yuffie and Rikku since always. (Yuffie is still one of my top favorites from FF7.)

Avoiding stereotypes = yes! I actually think a couple of those girls you listed do that to some extent (mainly Yuna) but yes, it's always great when you can really buck the trend. When I'm making OCs, I AGONIZE about whether they're stereotypical. XD